Comments by Vavoom777

Simple. Because I haven't danced at a club in over 5 years. The review would not be up to date with information and, worse, false if the club has undergone a complete overhaul recently. Skepticism is understandable, but a newbie (me) is a newbie. Furthermore, if you know LE, you'd know that they wouldn't spend this much time going back and forth on boards, writing elaborate questions/responses, nor would they come off as friendly or nice when faced with opposition. But, rather than sit here and defend myself because I do NOT owe an explanation to anyone. You'll probably hear some thing about me through the grapevine here, after a couple of the gents have met up with me. :-)

He wishes! Never met him and don't care to with that kind of attitude.

Jester, not at any clubs in Chicagoland area. If you read my previous posts, I've said (along with many of the guys who have confirmed the extremely uptight nature of Chicago) that I'm looking to get into it. Escorting, working at jerk joints, or dungeons do not count as doing extras in clubs. Why not? Because I simply haven't done it in clubs as of yet. This will be my last response to you, as you seem like you're here just looking for a fight.

Jerikson, no worries, lol. I got it. I actually agree, but I think the lazy girls you spoke of might just be young and not very money-motivated. I was like that too, when I first danced at clubs, but without doing extras. Part of it was being young and not caring much, also, I wasn't exactly the alpha female at clubs back then. When you have 40 girls on shift and 5 patrons that each girl rushes to hustle as soon as the poor guy sits down, it's a little daunting. You get disillusioned and give up because you know by the time you get to the guy, he's already fed up and ready to leave after being harassed by everyone before he even finished a drink.

Che, I would love to. You guys will be the first to know, once I get my xtras cherry popped! :-) I've done alot, but never more than a friction dance ITC. This should be very interesting. I'm used to the nonsense that goes on on discussion boards. There is a ton more drama and stupidity on any of the escort discussion boards and blog sites in one week than there could be here in 3 months. I also remember the endless bitch fights both here and on SCL long before they cleaned it up. ;-)

Thank you, Che. Well, I guess the best explanation I have here is I have nothing to lose and more to gain by being honest. I am not currently working at a club, but involved in various other areas of the adult industry, so I've evolved past the uptight nature I was accustomed to while working at air dance clubs and naturally dont see an issue with being more liberal. Also, since I'm not working at a club at the moment, I don't feel I'm advertising myself, per se, or posing a threat to other ladies. That makes it a little better in my mind, lol. It is not the gentlemen who are the enemies here. Never have been, as you are the ones paying my bills ;-) I do know this goes on in many clubs. I'm a little older and have been around more than some girls I know. Been in some form of the adult industry since 1995. I paid my dues and prefer to just cut way past all the bs to find out what i need to know. I would never know if I didn't come right out and ask. That may make me either really smart or really dumb, depending on who you ask. :-) Either way, I get an answer to my questions. I also don't follow the "norm" on a lot of things and like to play by my own rules. There still are lots of sheep even in this somewhat outcast society.

At any rate, thank you ALL for helping out. Please pm me with info from here on out. It looks like Detroit for the win ;-). However, I'm definitely not opposed to traveling around.

Thanks again, gents. I didn't mean for this to thread to start turning into a train wreck. In no way was I being stereotypical, Estafador, nor did I even assume you were black. I know it's sometimes hard to see the emotion portrayed through sheer text...even though I thought I clearly got the point across by throwing in a few Lol's and :-)'s. What I meant by $20 dances is that $20 is the going dance price at most clubs I have been to and my "extras" wouldn't be done on a dance, but in the champagne room where they should be done. And, yes, I HAVE worked in my share of ghetto clubs, as well as every other kind of club. In my experience, just because they have $$$ doesn't mean they'll neccesarily part with it. I've had folks wave a bunch of hundreds in my face, on STAGE and tell me if I want any of them I'll have to work for it. Not my style to chase carrots. I like to do the offering myself.

Lol, thanks guys. Estafador honey, in your wildest fantasies would I do anything on a $20 dance! Ballsy, I am, but I'm no fool. The entire candy shop can't be given away for free, now, lol. I'm talking working the Champagne rooms half the night. The private dances would just be a warm-up. :-) To answer your question, yes, I actually did go back to school later in life and pursued something in the medical field, as many people do. There are probably a few ladies at your club dancing their way through medical school who don't necessarily have to be fresh out of high school to decide they want to get a career in that field.

Thanks Motörhead. I will definitely look into those. Excuse my ignorance. I took it to be literally *in* Detroit.

Rick, that is true regarding the paranoia here. It's worse for escorts, which is another reason I am heading back to the clubs. I haven't been in the club scene for years and back then my dances were "clean," but I now would at *least* prefer some grinding & groping for starters. I hate air dances and now would feel like I ripped someone off any time I have to do them. I've heard from random men outside the clubs that they've had at least a HJ or BJ in the VIP rooms of a couple of clubs in Chicago proper, but I don't believe it. Unless the girl paid the bouncers to look the other way or she was the only girl in the room. In my experience, other dancers are hawk-eying girls for stuff like that and proceed to start a cat fight or get the girl fired on the spot. The clubs in Harvey I know for sure have tons more happy patrons, but do I really want to go through that ghetto neighborhood? I will find something :-). At any rate, thank you for your help!

Thank you very much, guys! Smokeshop, yep, you got me, lol. Definitely no bacon here ;-). I totally understand your initial skepticism, and thank you for the pointer. I assumed I'd be pm-ed on the subject, same as we do on the TER board and such. Motörhead, the club was formerly known as "Dreamers." Not quite all the way by Ohare ;-) Jerikson, thank you for the compliment! If I would move anywhere it would be LA! Thanks for the heads up. And I'll visit those clubs next time I am in the area...and let you know! Jackslash, thank you, also. Detroit kinda scares me though. Lol.

Thanks, Alucard. I'll consider, but I prefer to stay within a certain driving distance to & from Chicago. Jester, its true, but based on *your* reaction, it doesn't sound good for me! Are girls who do extras that much of a rarity?? Without going into too much detail, for I have enough female haters around, I've spent the last 5 years doing bachelor parties and wild events with porn stars, so I guess I am "spoiled" now. I just miss the club atmosphere and prefer more one-on-one interaction, but want to make sure its also worth my while. :-)