Aren’t they basically the same people? So you enjoy watching two of the same kind going after each other? That’s like watching me and my wife try to have another kid.
I've always wondered what it must be like to actually be a grown man with so little emotional control, critical thinking or personal character that I would actually be stupid enough to vote for the current brand of Democrat...🤔
Anyhoo, I digress...
This is more like the Florida AG against the Tates. The Florida AG is a separate statewide elected office. With all of the allegations leveled against the brothers, it's only prudent to give it another look now that they've settled in Florida.
As Tate himself said on his PBD interview… look at how Trump handled the question compared to DeSantis.
DeSantis is a slimy, conniving, subhuman SOB. Dude literally said he wants to be the most pro israel governor in history, as if thats something anyone should strive for, lol. Anyone who says something like that is absolutely a coward, corrupt and controlled by special interest groups.
Also DeSantis didnt just refer the question to the AG, he provided his own input on it, accusing Tate of being a criminal even though he hasnt been convicted of anything
Also Rick I completely disagree with your input on how you describe modern democrats. Both parties have severe issues right now.
Regarding gun control and abortion for instance… any lives that republicans are saving by being pro life and pro gun rights, is completely nullified when you consider the fact at least half of all republicans in the US want to literally wipe out communism, socialism, and Islam. And im not just referring to wiping out those ideologies, they want to wipe out all adherents of those ideologies, which is basically half the world when you run the numbers.
I mean Israel itself has something called the Samson option, which is basically that they will nuke half the planet if they fear destruction of their country. So just being pro Israel alone, whether democrat or republican, is in itself a major character flaw.
The average Tate Bros fan is making no more than $15/hour with no growth potential, grew up with a distant or absent father, spends at least 2 hours a day on 4chan, and cries himself to sleep, knowing his life sucks but isn't willing to do anything tough about it.
So the Tate's rip them off with a pyramid scheme slash "foolproof" crypto trading/internet business scheme. They trick them into signing up for yearly memberships when they think they're signing up for monthly.
RMD, anyone with a lick of sense is pro-Israel. Israel has endured an almost constant state of siege for decades, funded largely by Iran but tacitly supported by certain other countries. This includes random rockets being fired onto its soil, suicide bombers and other nonsense. Yet up until recently, Israel has largely stayed its hand in doing anything about it.
People who look at Israel as some type of powerful nation looking to perpetrate aggression have to be utter fucking morons. We're talking about a tiny nation the size of New Jersey with only 10 million people, surrounded by hundreds of millions of Arabs who aren't very fond of them. Who with a lick of sense thinks that they WANT conflict? Do you really think that they enjoy forcing every 18 year old to serve two years in the military?
The difference between Israel and Hamas is that Israel does everything it can to warn civilians to get out of the way while Hamas targets them, even raping women and killing children with intent. Israel tries to protect its women and children, while Hamas uses theirs as human shields. Indeed Hamas does everything it can to put its own civilians in harms way, including telling citizens to ignore Israeli warnings, so that they can point to more civilian deaths in their endless PR efforts.
It's time to finish of Hamas and stop supporting this ridiculous fairy tale of "refugee camps" already. The Palestinians joined other Arab nations in trying to push Israel into the sea and they lost. Either the Palestinians can start behaving like grown adults and govern their own state responsibly or they can be absorbed into the other Arab nations.
^^ I have to commend you on your ability to research international facts and report them to us uneducated fat couch potatoes. No wonder Rick tye Lion is your favorite fan, as you are so learned in the world of politics.
^ Ample research is not required when you have better sources. I find the WSJ and FT to be worth every nickel. If I had to rely upon puff sources like MSNBC, CNN or even Puffpost, I might be as ignorant as RMD. 😉
@rickdugan
I’m in agreement with 97% of your post about Israel, where we differ is not that Iran doesn’t cause a large percentage of Israel’s problems but you’re leaving out the puppet master controlling the Ayatollahs, Russias Vladimir Putin. This latest round is Putin’s best chance to distract from his own failures in the Ukraine. That said you have the right idea. Iran gets lots of cash and military equipment and support from Russia in return they provide the Russians with drones for their military and intelligence services about what is happening in the Middle East, and weapons to supply their proxies, like Hezbollah, Hamas, The Houthis etc.
Lol Dugan, at accusing me of using huffpost and similar sites.
The entire paragraph of lies you stated has actually been debunked, by people on the right. Candace owens, dan bilzerian, andrew tate, and several other names im forgetting.
Rick, me and you, have a different moral code and different values. You claim the Arab nations “attempted to push Israel into the sea”. Thats laughable. Israel stole that land. And the problem isnt just that Israel in its inception stole the land, but also that it is an expansionary state that has continued to steal land. The Israel of today is much larger than the Israel of 10 years ago, 30 years ago, 50 years, etc.
I always chuckle when i hear someone claim to be conservative or constitutionalist but simultaneously support israel. Anybody who supports israel, literally cant also believe in the constitution. Supporting israel literally means you believe Jews have the right to kill, rape, and steal from Arabs, whether Christian or Muslim.
Thats a fundamentally flawed world view, completely at odds with the Constitution. You literally believe that people have different rights and different worths based on their race and religion. Its bad if an Arab attacks an Israeli, but the reverse isnt bad, according to you.
As far as Israel not wanting conflict, another completely delusional take by someone with a poor upbringing. Israel absolutely wants conflict, as long as they can pull the US into the conflict. Which is essentially exactly what theyve been doing and attempting to do for many years now.
Anyone with even a modicum of morals would bare minimum say its wrong to kill someone irrespective of their race/religion. But youre basically attempting to argue that through some sort of twisted means, its okay for Jewish people to murder Arabs…
The human shields nonsense has been completely debunked. Israel literally snipes children and women lol. They arent mistakenly attacking people thinking theyre Hamas.
Its also hilarious to say Hamas is a terrorist group but the IDF isnt? Once again youre basically saying if a Jewish person murders thousands… they… arent a terrorist? But if an Arab or Muslim murders even one… they are an Islamist terrorist lol. How sad is that? A rational person would say actions are what determine terrorism, not the race or religion of the person.
Its not really a tough concept to understand, Rick. You literally are claiming that if Israel committed 9/11, it wouldnt be a terrorist attack. Or maybe it would be a terrorist attack if they killed whites, but wouldnt be if they killed Arabs. Im not following your logic.
Israel literally follows something called the Dahiya doctrine, which is they believe its okay to intentionally attack civilians as punishment for the actions of terrorists.
Rick, ill repeat again, though, apart from the Israel thing which is its own discussion, you completely ignored my other point, which is that at least half of all American conservatives/republicans are literally Hitler on steroids.
They want to wipe out communism, socialism, and Islam entirely, including all adherents of those ideologies. Ill go further and state that they even want to wipe out Christians who are living in the middle east/Islamic countries. Youre talking basically half the world. They consider Russia and China to be communist. Theres probably around 10-20% of Republicans who want to wipe out India for being Hindus, too. But that group is definitely a minority compared to the ones who want to wipe out Communism, Socialism and Islam. Even if I voted Republican a hundred times, never would I refer to myself as a republican or pretend they are somehow better than liberals.
I dont get why anyone would be lying about DeSantis and the tate bros, though. I get Rick youre in florida… that doesnt mean desantis is some perfect human being…. The guy obviously caved into pressure when he answered the question on tate bros. He didnt just refer it to the AG. Trump handled the question properly and just said he doesnt know about it. This has been known for years now, DeSantis is a slob and a suckup… thats why a huge portion of Maga doesnt trust him compared to Trump.
@rmd just pulling inflammatory comments out of his ass.
"They want to wipe out communism, socialism, and Islam entirely, including all adherents of those ideologies. Ill go further and state that they even want to wipe out Christians who are living in the middle east/Islamic countries. Youre talking basically half the world. They consider Russia and China to be communist. Theres probably around 10-20% of Republicans who want to wipe out India for being Hindus, too. But that group is definitely a minority compared to the ones who want to wipe out Communism, Socialism and Islam. "
No one said that. Get off 4chan and out of the house, incel.
RMD: (1) Not a single thing I posted was "debunked" - it is entirely accurate and well reported; (2) Jews had ancestral claims on those lands too; (3) The bulk of Israel's "growth" was the result of responding to attacks on the country; and (4) you still haven't explained why a tiny country the size of New Jersey with only 10 million people (only 8 million of whom are Jews) would want conflict with the Arab world.
The difference between a terrorist and a soldier is that terrorists target civilians, while soldiers target terrorists and other soldiers. Terrorists celebrate civilian casualties while soldiers try to avoid them and, when they happen, mourn them.
Israel has bent over backwards for many years to avoid civilian casualties for the simple reason that each one brings world pressure on them and their supporters. Even when they went after Hamas, they dropped flyers, made phone calls and sent texts to every phone they knew of in the targeted areas. Hamas, OTOH, in its fervent desire to keep those human shields in place, actually pulled stunts like telling them that the messages were just a ploy and that the Palestinians should stay. Again well documented.
Now the one thing I will partially agree on is that the Palestinians got screwed. They were originally told that they would have all the land when the British finally ceded the territory and, instead, a chunk of it was given to the Jews. A big reason for that was that there was already a significant population of Jews there who had their own ancestral claims in play and nobody could think of anyplace else to send the Holocaust survivors. And it was hardly the Jews alone who were involved; the British implemented this approach with the concurrence of several other countries, including the U.S. The Jews had to go somewhere and nobody else wanted them.
So I get that the Palestinians still harbor some resentment, but it doesn't justify decades of abhorrent terrorist behavior by several Arab factions, including of course Hamas. The Palestinians, in league with several Arab nations, tried not once but twice to eradicate the Jewish state. They failed and modern day Israel is the result. Almost everyone who was involved in the original conflicts are dead - it's time to move on.
@rickdugan - Well said. @rmd is not a serious poster, he keeps posting without citations that Republicans want to kill all immigrants and Muslims. I really think his IQ is somewhere in the mid-70s.
There's a reason no neighboring Arab countries like Egypt, Jordan, or Lebanon want the Palestinians, it's because they are willingly Iran's terrorist bitches.
Israel has done plenty of bad shit. Like if I were Trump I'd say you stop bulldozing Palestinian settlements in the West Bank or you don't get a dollar of assistance. That would get the Israeli hard right like Smotrich and Ben-Gvir unfucked pretty quickly. But make no mistake, the anti-Semitic American and European left don't just want an end to Israel, they want all western civilization wiped out. You cannot negotiate with these people.
===> "I get Rick youre in florida… that doesnt mean desantis is some perfect human being…."
I never said that he was. I'm merely questioning the entire premise of this thread, which is the notion that DeSantis' hostility towards that Tates is somehow a great MAGA betrayal. Those brothers are bonified scumbags. I'm glad they left the state and I'm guessing so too are a majority of Floridians who know anything about this.
What I do not like about DeSantis is how he courted Trump's most zealous followers during the primaries by trying to out-Trump Trump. It was never going to work and, frankly, it played away from all of his strengths.
What I do like about DeSantis is that he has been a very effective Governor. Common sense and personal freedoms hold great sway here. He has been a responsible steward of our economy and has overseen Florida's emergence as the top rated state for education in the country (as ranked by U.S. News and World Report).
All of which is why Florida flipped from purple to solid red under his watch. Heck if he could run for a third-term, I strongly believe that he would be re-elected in a landslide.
I want to first mention that all the stuff you consider to be such incredible “points” , are things that you could literally read off any right wing news source, or right wing forum. I dont see how its supposed to be impressive, to basically demonstrate that you can repeat the same things written in a news article? Anybody can do that. It shows that you lack critical thinking if you merely repeat random nonsense from a news article.
Ill also add that its biased and hypocritical, to say the media is corrupt or dishonest or biased when it comes to trump or other subjects, yet simultaneously say its somehow 100% accurate when it comes to israel. If the media isnt trustworthy and accurate, that also applies to when they discuss Israel.
As far as ancestral claims to the homeland, that is completely irrelevant. Its not even applicable to Ashkenazi Jews, nor Ethopian/African Jews. Its only applicable to Semitic Jews which most Israelis arent.
People who are in the pro Israel camp generally fall into these categories…
They believe Jews anywhere, have the right to steal from and kill Arabs/Muslims or anyone.
Or they believe Jews have the right to do that, but only in the Middle East.
Or, they believe in the historical claim/Biblical claim, and believe specific to Israel, they can kill and steal.
Or, its not so much about Israel, but rather, stereotypical views of Arabs or Moslems being terrorists or violent, and that this somehow gives everyone, of any religion, the right to specifically torture or steal from Arabs/Moslems.
All of these views are wrong and also at odds with the Constitution as well as any other non biased moral code.
Rick, I suspect as we get deeper into the discussion, you will continue to dodge points or make excuses to explain Israels behavior…
I already addressed your point regarding why Israel would want conflict. I pointed out they want conflict and want tbe US to do their dirty work. Just like they did with Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine. Israel wants dominance and expansion. Relocating Palestinians to neighboring Arab states will just result in Israel claiming now they are being attacked from Egypt or Saudi Arabia therefore they need to take over those countries too. The excuse is obvious.
As a rule of thumb humans are motivated by greed and power. Whoever has more weapons, and more firepower, would have an easier time takint over new land and getting away with it.
Your completely incorrect about Israeli soldiers mourning civilian deaths. They celebrate every civilian death , and have been caught doing so repeatedly lol.
I really dont get your point on “Israels expansion was the result of responding tk attacks on the country”..,
So youre saying if someone attacks israel, israel now has the right to steal the entire city the attacker lives in?
That is completely, completely laughable, absurd, and absolutely no country follows this sort of land grabbing rule, internationally nor domestically. And if thats actually your belief, then you understand the problem this poses for not just Israel but any country in the world. If all it takes to gain new land is for an attacker to exist on that land, youre basically saying that all Israel would have to do is hire someone to shoot rockets from Palestine, and that then gives them the right to steal Palestine. And they can then rinse and repeat that process with basically any country. That sounds like a pretty simple and convenient strategy to take over a country, or even an entire continent…? Also does the same apply jn reverse? See, i dont think you would be okay with Palestinians stealing israel, in response to israel launching attacks on palestine. So we basically go back to my original point, this is basically a difference in fundamental moral values. You believe Israelis have more rights than Arabs. Israelis can attack Arabs, they can steal, but Arabs cant do the same to them.
The notion that tiny Israel wants to subjugate much larger Arab countries is patently ludicrous. So is your moral equivalency argument, unless you're contending that Israel has been lobbing rockets into Muslim civilian targets for years with the sole goal of maximizing civilian casualties.
And yes, if the so-called governments of neighboring territories cannot put a stop to terrorists using their cities to attack your country, then at some point you have to take matters into your own hands. Israel has shown extraordinary restraint for decades, due in no small part to pressure from the U.S. not to cause a "wider conflict."
Hamas viscously attacking defenseless Israeli civilians en masse was just the straw that broke the camel's back. The loss of 1,200 people in a country so small is the statistical equivalent of an attack on the U.S. killing 400,000.
And again, yes, the Palestinians got shafted in the mid to late 40s by a large coalition of countries. Israel was a natural dumping ground for the Holocaust survivors since there were Jews already there with ancestral roots and claims, so Israel it was. It was a very convenient way to alleviate pressure on the other countries to accept refugees that they simply did not want.
But it's over. Two wars have been fought and the Palestinians lost. The last war was almost 60 years ago. It's time for this "refugee camp" fairy tale to end. Multiple times the Palestinians have rejected a two state solution as it would have meant making peace, taking responsibility for their own actions and, of course, abandoning this nonsensical claim of refugee status. It's time that they either change course of get moved out.
@RMD
I hesitate to bother responding to you because you are very well known as a troll, and it appears to me that you are not only trolling this anti semitic nonsense, but you’re also posting centuries old nonsense tropes.
Fact is the Israelis have attempted to aid the Palestinian people since its inception in 1948, they have been rebuffed at every step of the way. Jewish people have legitimate claim to the land of Israel with over 5000 years of continuous existence in this land. There is no such thing as a Palestinian it’s a made up construct that was created by the Romans during their occupation of the land. These people you’re referring to are Egyptian, Jordanian, Lebanese and Syrian people that actually seized land from the Jewish people that lived there originally, prior to their being enslaved in Egypt many millennia ago. If you want to know more there is plenty of documentation available, but you’ll need to look it up and do the research yourself.
Meanwhile shut the fuck up about things you obviously know nothing about, it’s annoying and tiresome.
Twentyfive, you dont understand how morals work. At all. And its because of a poor upbringing.
You know native americans cant go around killing and stealing in the US, right?
Even though their land was stolen only hundreds of years ago.
Its funny you claim Jews have an ancestral right to Israel.. you do understand thats specifically Semitic Jews, right? Ashkenazi and Ethopian Jews were… literally in eastern europe and africa. Not Palestine.
You seem confused… “Palestine doesnt exist” is a common argument made by foolish people.. its true that Palestine didnt exist as a nation state for a long time.. that doesnt suddenly mean because Palestine didnt “exist” that the people living there dont have rights. You dont need to have an established government to have rights. According to your logic, since America didnt exist when native americans were here, that made it okay to brutalize and kill them? How sad is that? To reach 70+ years old and still not reach moral clarity?
Twentyfive, from my understanding youre in your 70s now… from the way youre talking I feel that anytime you see a rich Arab guy, even in the US, in your mind you think it would be okay to kill them and steal their wealth. Im curious what you think about Dj Khaled? Or French Montana? You act like a guy who believes it would be okay to kill them and steal their stuff just because they’re Arab. I urge you to seek moral clarity and fix yourself, especially at your age. By the way if you look at Bibles from the early 1900s they all have Palestine on their maps, additionally even Jewish people in early 1900s had Palestinian passports. Not sure how you can claim Palestine doesnt exist. Additionally, there were hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who moved into neighboring countries like egypt, jordan, etc, but obviously, many didnt. I mean are you claiming Gaza and the west bank and Rafah are just empty, no people there? I dont really get your argument of “palestine doesnt exist” it seems like youre saying its okay to kill people who live in gaza and the west bank?
Finally, 25, this whole israel palestine thing is an issue of fundamentals. Even if October 7th never happened, guys like you were always foaming at the mouth, desperate to kill any Arab you could find, Christian or Muslim. You keep going on and on about Palestine- yet you want to wipe out Jordan.. and Lebanon.. and Syria.. and Iraq.. and Egypt. The irony of the situation is even Hitler had better morals than you. Its laughable how there are only a few million Jews yet billions of Arabs, so people like you end up self owning yourself
@Rick… the size of landmass of current Israel means nothing…
Regarding your argument of Palestinians holding resentment over something 80 years ago.. that is not the problem. I agree with you that if the land was stolen a long time ago, and the thieves of that land died off, then yes at a certain point you cant just give the land back because your punishing people who had nothing to do with the theft. That applies to palestinians who were there for thousands of years, and also Israelis who were there and didnt steal the land.
But thats not the main issue, Israel has been expanding and taking more land even within the last 50 years. So in this case, many people who took the land are still alive. Its not a case of the theft happening hundreds of years ago.
Israel has small landmass yes, but they have 200 nukes. Most other Arab countries are weaklings military. The Gulf countries like Saudi Arabia, already have or will have security agreements with the US. Besides those countries, Israel has attacked basically everyone else. They are still messing around in, and previously messed around in Iraq, syria, lebanon… and egypt is literally paid to maintain a truce. Not paid as much as israel.
IMO no matter who it is, it is extremely suspicious if a country with 200 nukes, wants all their neighboring countries to not have any nukes. Israel wants to sell the story that Iran are radical Islamists who will uncontrollably use their nukes on every western country. But the reality of the situation is that if another country got nukes, israel wouldnt be able to be a bully like it is now. Even it it was an Arab country with nukes, insisting that Israel or someone else cant have any nukes, that would be something that would need to be carefully examined, not just taking their word for it.
I dont understand the concept of taking land based on if someone attacked you from that land. That is something no modern country would agree with, even Israel itself wouldnt agree with. You can attack people who attack you, you could even confiscate their own property and assets to cover any damages they caused. But it doesnt make sense to for example, take over an entire city because some people in the city attacked you. I dont understand where that ruling comes from, and the major problem with having a ruling like that is that any country would just be incentivized to have its own agents infiltrate the neighboring country, launch some attacks, and then take over that country, and you could basically become a constantly expanding state using that method. Greed is human nature, so any country, if given that permission, would be incentivized to just be in constant war in order to gain more land
Okay Puddy, and where does the paranoid schizophrenia come from? Do you consider Candace Owens , Dan Bilzerian, Bassem Yousef, Andrew Tate, Scott Ritter, to be in the same category?
Proof that RMD is just trolling is in all of his declaring statements
Just to outline a few
Never was a Palestinian passport, there was a British passport issued from about 1925-1948 that called the area mandatory Palestine under British Authority
Israel has never stated that they have nuclear weapons and nothing exists in the public domain that confirms your statement
Israel has never attacked anyone except in self defense
Yes I am seventy one so fucking what, I’ve never had negative thoughts about anyone regardless of their race, or creed, and actually understand the issues
Like I said before son, the facts are available if you’re interested and willing to research them, you simply don’t have them, and you’re an idiot to even consider questioning my morals, you really don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.
Lol! Israel doesnt have nukes?
Okay 25, even disregarding israel, you probably want to rob and beat guys like dj khaled just fot existing.
Oh yeah and Dj khaled was born in palestine, how was that possible if it doesnt exist? He was born in israel? Or “british mandate of palestine”? Lol?
It was Golda Meir herself who mentioned a Palestinian passport, and all the Bibles in early 1900s had Palestine on the maps.
You understand that is a semantics argument right? Even if there was no official nation state named Palestine, there were still people living in the land mass commonly referred to as Palestine. For example Gaza, West Bank, are consiered part of Palestine even today. Im not sure what your point is in claiming Palestine doesnt exist because usually its used to attempt to justify theft or killing undee the excuse of palestine doesnt exist.
Since thats your world view, you obviously must also believe that it was acceptable to kill native americans since America didnt exist at the time? There was no country called the USA? Correct? And based on your horrid logic you also believe if you run into some village people out in Antarctica you can also rob them and kill them because they dont have an established government and country right? See this is where we differ, some people believe human rights are God given, while others like you believe human rights only exist with a government. Its nonsensical since you can basically justify all kinds of things. You basically are saying if aliens show up here we can just start killing them, or if we discover a new landmass or a new island and people are present there, you can kill them there since its just a landmass without an established and named country
Twentyfive, so israel, meaning the IDF, has NEVER attacked anyone except self defense? Thats completely laughable. There was literally several IDF soldiers bragging about raping and killing Palestinian women years back.
I mean you can try arguing that israel as a whole, or most of tbeir military is good but its laughable to pretend israel has never attacked except self defense. Let me ask you, do you think jewish criminals have ever existed? Do you believe jeffery epstein existed, that he committed many crimes and was also Jewish?
^ you have the same problem as many of the others you like to use straw man tactics and try to twist what others say, I never said Israel didn’t have nukes, I did point out that you can’t know this
I don’t have a clue who is djkhaled so why would I wish him harm
Golda Meir wouldn’t have said that, There has never been a country recognized by any governing body named Palestine
No the IDF has never acted offensively except to protect Israel from an external threat
Whether or not Jeffrey Epstein has committed any crimes has less than nothing to do with his being Jewish
Again it’s long past time for you to shut the fuck up.
Don’t expect me to respond to you again you are a troll, a misogynist, and a bigoted fool. You’ve just proved it beyond the shadow of a doubt
25 you are known by many as a deranged old man who starts fights with everyone over nonsense, people see you as a disabled guy just blindly swinging your fists punching the air all around you in anger
If you dont know something you can google it, you claim to not know who dj khaled is, yet if you knew who he was you would want to keep him as your personal palestinian prisoner that you could fuck anytime and kiss on.
You are a fringe left winger like the nazis on the right. You are left wing yet also racist, anti immigrant, anti China, anti Arab etc. youll get made fun of no matter whether youre dealing with the left or right
===> "I dont understand the concept of taking land based on if someone attacked you from that land. That is something no modern country would agree with, even Israel itself wouldnt agree with. "
Except that obviously Israel DOES agree with that, lol, at least in certain circumstances.
When you get attacked over and over and over again from the same strategic position, there comes a point where the only way to prevent future attacks is to remove that position from the hands of the people attacking you (or their enablers as the case may be). Even more so when the enemy is intentionally targeting your civilians.
Rick israel doesnt agree with that for themselves. Its a case of rules for thee, not for me. No different than the holocaust denial laws in european countries, or the antisemitism bill proposed here. When i said israel doesnt agree with it im saying if and when an idf soldier or israeli person attacks a palestinian, israel would never agree with the notion that israeli land could be taken because someone on the land attacked someone
What you just described can essentially be used to take over the entire Middle East.
Palestinians are terrorists according to you and many. You claim they can be absorbed into other Arab nations. If and when that happens, it seems like you will just continuously and infinitely justify theft of more and more land. If someone attacks from egypt, they can take that over. Then once egypt is taken, israel will have new neighbors like morocco. They can then plant some people in morocco to “attack over and over” as you put it, and forever expand as long as even a few people are willing to attack from neighboring countries. Throughout that process they would naturally, piss off more and more people who are getting their land stolen.
Also even you are applying this logic selectively, because you wouldnt believe it applies to the US. In no event would you or most other people say okay some americans on the mexico border launched attacks across the border into mexico, so mexico can now take part of texas or california etc.
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Bummer, I was totally hoping for a kick-ass, MAGA-on-MAGA smackdown thread. MAGAts always manage to disappoint.
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Aren’t they basically the same people? So you enjoy watching two of the same kind going after each other? That’s like watching me and my wife try to have another kid.
Bacon!
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I've always wondered what it must be like to actually be a grown man with so little emotional control, critical thinking or personal character that I would actually be stupid enough to vote for the current brand of Democrat...🤔
Anyhoo, I digress...
This is more like the Florida AG against the Tates. The Florida AG is a separate statewide elected office. With all of the allegations leveled against the brothers, it's only prudent to give it another look now that they've settled in Florida.
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Tate bro fans are the worst of "red pill manosphere" and "success guru" stans.
They tend to work dead end jobs and repel women worse than SJG.
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you KNOW you're a piece of shit when I take DeSantis over you in a fight
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^ Actually FutureK, all I KNOW from that comment is that you're a moron. 😉
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^^ Just another liberal, with a dick, and yet not a man.
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As Tate himself said on his PBD interview… look at how Trump handled the question compared to DeSantis.
DeSantis is a slimy, conniving, subhuman SOB. Dude literally said he wants to be the most pro israel governor in history, as if thats something anyone should strive for, lol. Anyone who says something like that is absolutely a coward, corrupt and controlled by special interest groups.
Also DeSantis didnt just refer the question to the AG, he provided his own input on it, accusing Tate of being a criminal even though he hasnt been convicted of anything
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Also Rick I completely disagree with your input on how you describe modern democrats. Both parties have severe issues right now.
Regarding gun control and abortion for instance… any lives that republicans are saving by being pro life and pro gun rights, is completely nullified when you consider the fact at least half of all republicans in the US want to literally wipe out communism, socialism, and Islam. And im not just referring to wiping out those ideologies, they want to wipe out all adherents of those ideologies, which is basically half the world when you run the numbers.
I mean Israel itself has something called the Samson option, which is basically that they will nuke half the planet if they fear destruction of their country. So just being pro Israel alone, whether democrat or republican, is in itself a major character flaw.
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^ Talking out your ass again. Half of all Republicans want to literally wipe out communism, socialism, and Islam, and their adherents?
Surely you have proof of something that absurd? Or you just been reading the latest anti-Semite weekly?
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The average Tate Bros fan is making no more than $15/hour with no growth potential, grew up with a distant or absent father, spends at least 2 hours a day on 4chan, and cries himself to sleep, knowing his life sucks but isn't willing to do anything tough about it.
So the Tate's rip them off with a pyramid scheme slash "foolproof" crypto trading/internet business scheme. They trick them into signing up for yearly memberships when they think they're signing up for monthly.
They're the incels of incels.
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RMD, anyone with a lick of sense is pro-Israel. Israel has endured an almost constant state of siege for decades, funded largely by Iran but tacitly supported by certain other countries. This includes random rockets being fired onto its soil, suicide bombers and other nonsense. Yet up until recently, Israel has largely stayed its hand in doing anything about it.
People who look at Israel as some type of powerful nation looking to perpetrate aggression have to be utter fucking morons. We're talking about a tiny nation the size of New Jersey with only 10 million people, surrounded by hundreds of millions of Arabs who aren't very fond of them. Who with a lick of sense thinks that they WANT conflict? Do you really think that they enjoy forcing every 18 year old to serve two years in the military?
The difference between Israel and Hamas is that Israel does everything it can to warn civilians to get out of the way while Hamas targets them, even raping women and killing children with intent. Israel tries to protect its women and children, while Hamas uses theirs as human shields. Indeed Hamas does everything it can to put its own civilians in harms way, including telling citizens to ignore Israeli warnings, so that they can point to more civilian deaths in their endless PR efforts.
It's time to finish of Hamas and stop supporting this ridiculous fairy tale of "refugee camps" already. The Palestinians joined other Arab nations in trying to push Israel into the sea and they lost. Either the Palestinians can start behaving like grown adults and govern their own state responsibly or they can be absorbed into the other Arab nations.
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^^ I have to commend you on your ability to research international facts and report them to us uneducated fat couch potatoes. No wonder Rick tye Lion is your favorite fan, as you are so learned in the world of politics.
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I wish I had time on my hands to research these issues. I’m too busy feeding my family and my fat ass to absorb anything more than my feelings….
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^ Ample research is not required when you have better sources. I find the WSJ and FT to be worth every nickel. If I had to rely upon puff sources like MSNBC, CNN or even Puffpost, I might be as ignorant as RMD. 😉
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@rickdugan
I’m in agreement with 97% of your post about Israel, where we differ is not that Iran doesn’t cause a large percentage of Israel’s problems but you’re leaving out the puppet master controlling the Ayatollahs, Russias Vladimir Putin. This latest round is Putin’s best chance to distract from his own failures in the Ukraine. That said you have the right idea. Iran gets lots of cash and military equipment and support from Russia in return they provide the Russians with drones for their military and intelligence services about what is happening in the Middle East, and weapons to supply their proxies, like Hezbollah, Hamas, The Houthis etc.
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Lol Dugan, at accusing me of using huffpost and similar sites.
The entire paragraph of lies you stated has actually been debunked, by people on the right. Candace owens, dan bilzerian, andrew tate, and several other names im forgetting.
Rick, me and you, have a different moral code and different values. You claim the Arab nations “attempted to push Israel into the sea”. Thats laughable. Israel stole that land. And the problem isnt just that Israel in its inception stole the land, but also that it is an expansionary state that has continued to steal land. The Israel of today is much larger than the Israel of 10 years ago, 30 years ago, 50 years, etc.
I always chuckle when i hear someone claim to be conservative or constitutionalist but simultaneously support israel. Anybody who supports israel, literally cant also believe in the constitution. Supporting israel literally means you believe Jews have the right to kill, rape, and steal from Arabs, whether Christian or Muslim.
Thats a fundamentally flawed world view, completely at odds with the Constitution. You literally believe that people have different rights and different worths based on their race and religion. Its bad if an Arab attacks an Israeli, but the reverse isnt bad, according to you.
As far as Israel not wanting conflict, another completely delusional take by someone with a poor upbringing. Israel absolutely wants conflict, as long as they can pull the US into the conflict. Which is essentially exactly what theyve been doing and attempting to do for many years now.
Anyone with even a modicum of morals would bare minimum say its wrong to kill someone irrespective of their race/religion. But youre basically attempting to argue that through some sort of twisted means, its okay for Jewish people to murder Arabs…
The human shields nonsense has been completely debunked. Israel literally snipes children and women lol. They arent mistakenly attacking people thinking theyre Hamas.
Its also hilarious to say Hamas is a terrorist group but the IDF isnt? Once again youre basically saying if a Jewish person murders thousands… they… arent a terrorist? But if an Arab or Muslim murders even one… they are an Islamist terrorist lol. How sad is that? A rational person would say actions are what determine terrorism, not the race or religion of the person.
Its not really a tough concept to understand, Rick. You literally are claiming that if Israel committed 9/11, it wouldnt be a terrorist attack. Or maybe it would be a terrorist attack if they killed whites, but wouldnt be if they killed Arabs. Im not following your logic.
Israel literally follows something called the Dahiya doctrine, which is they believe its okay to intentionally attack civilians as punishment for the actions of terrorists.
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Rick, ill repeat again, though, apart from the Israel thing which is its own discussion, you completely ignored my other point, which is that at least half of all American conservatives/republicans are literally Hitler on steroids.
They want to wipe out communism, socialism, and Islam entirely, including all adherents of those ideologies. Ill go further and state that they even want to wipe out Christians who are living in the middle east/Islamic countries. Youre talking basically half the world. They consider Russia and China to be communist. Theres probably around 10-20% of Republicans who want to wipe out India for being Hindus, too. But that group is definitely a minority compared to the ones who want to wipe out Communism, Socialism and Islam. Even if I voted Republican a hundred times, never would I refer to myself as a republican or pretend they are somehow better than liberals.
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I dont get why anyone would be lying about DeSantis and the tate bros, though. I get Rick youre in florida… that doesnt mean desantis is some perfect human being…. The guy obviously caved into pressure when he answered the question on tate bros. He didnt just refer it to the AG. Trump handled the question properly and just said he doesnt know about it. This has been known for years now, DeSantis is a slob and a suckup… thats why a huge portion of Maga doesnt trust him compared to Trump.
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@rmd just pulling inflammatory comments out of his ass.
"They want to wipe out communism, socialism, and Islam entirely, including all adherents of those ideologies. Ill go further and state that they even want to wipe out Christians who are living in the middle east/Islamic countries. Youre talking basically half the world. They consider Russia and China to be communist. Theres probably around 10-20% of Republicans who want to wipe out India for being Hindus, too. But that group is definitely a minority compared to the ones who want to wipe out Communism, Socialism and Islam. "
No one said that. Get off 4chan and out of the house, incel.
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RMD: (1) Not a single thing I posted was "debunked" - it is entirely accurate and well reported; (2) Jews had ancestral claims on those lands too; (3) The bulk of Israel's "growth" was the result of responding to attacks on the country; and (4) you still haven't explained why a tiny country the size of New Jersey with only 10 million people (only 8 million of whom are Jews) would want conflict with the Arab world.
The difference between a terrorist and a soldier is that terrorists target civilians, while soldiers target terrorists and other soldiers. Terrorists celebrate civilian casualties while soldiers try to avoid them and, when they happen, mourn them.
Israel has bent over backwards for many years to avoid civilian casualties for the simple reason that each one brings world pressure on them and their supporters. Even when they went after Hamas, they dropped flyers, made phone calls and sent texts to every phone they knew of in the targeted areas. Hamas, OTOH, in its fervent desire to keep those human shields in place, actually pulled stunts like telling them that the messages were just a ploy and that the Palestinians should stay. Again well documented.
Now the one thing I will partially agree on is that the Palestinians got screwed. They were originally told that they would have all the land when the British finally ceded the territory and, instead, a chunk of it was given to the Jews. A big reason for that was that there was already a significant population of Jews there who had their own ancestral claims in play and nobody could think of anyplace else to send the Holocaust survivors. And it was hardly the Jews alone who were involved; the British implemented this approach with the concurrence of several other countries, including the U.S. The Jews had to go somewhere and nobody else wanted them.
So I get that the Palestinians still harbor some resentment, but it doesn't justify decades of abhorrent terrorist behavior by several Arab factions, including of course Hamas. The Palestinians, in league with several Arab nations, tried not once but twice to eradicate the Jewish state. They failed and modern day Israel is the result. Almost everyone who was involved in the original conflicts are dead - it's time to move on.
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@rickdugan - Well said. @rmd is not a serious poster, he keeps posting without citations that Republicans want to kill all immigrants and Muslims. I really think his IQ is somewhere in the mid-70s.
There's a reason no neighboring Arab countries like Egypt, Jordan, or Lebanon want the Palestinians, it's because they are willingly Iran's terrorist bitches.
Israel has done plenty of bad shit. Like if I were Trump I'd say you stop bulldozing Palestinian settlements in the West Bank or you don't get a dollar of assistance. That would get the Israeli hard right like Smotrich and Ben-Gvir unfucked pretty quickly. But make no mistake, the anti-Semitic American and European left don't just want an end to Israel, they want all western civilization wiped out. You cannot negotiate with these people.
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===> "I get Rick youre in florida… that doesnt mean desantis is some perfect human being…."
I never said that he was. I'm merely questioning the entire premise of this thread, which is the notion that DeSantis' hostility towards that Tates is somehow a great MAGA betrayal. Those brothers are bonified scumbags. I'm glad they left the state and I'm guessing so too are a majority of Floridians who know anything about this.
What I do not like about DeSantis is how he courted Trump's most zealous followers during the primaries by trying to out-Trump Trump. It was never going to work and, frankly, it played away from all of his strengths.
What I do like about DeSantis is that he has been a very effective Governor. Common sense and personal freedoms hold great sway here. He has been a responsible steward of our economy and has overseen Florida's emergence as the top rated state for education in the country (as ranked by U.S. News and World Report).
All of which is why Florida flipped from purple to solid red under his watch. Heck if he could run for a third-term, I strongly believe that he would be re-elected in a landslide.
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Rick,
I want to first mention that all the stuff you consider to be such incredible “points” , are things that you could literally read off any right wing news source, or right wing forum. I dont see how its supposed to be impressive, to basically demonstrate that you can repeat the same things written in a news article? Anybody can do that. It shows that you lack critical thinking if you merely repeat random nonsense from a news article.
Ill also add that its biased and hypocritical, to say the media is corrupt or dishonest or biased when it comes to trump or other subjects, yet simultaneously say its somehow 100% accurate when it comes to israel. If the media isnt trustworthy and accurate, that also applies to when they discuss Israel.
As far as ancestral claims to the homeland, that is completely irrelevant. Its not even applicable to Ashkenazi Jews, nor Ethopian/African Jews. Its only applicable to Semitic Jews which most Israelis arent.
People who are in the pro Israel camp generally fall into these categories…
They believe Jews anywhere, have the right to steal from and kill Arabs/Muslims or anyone.
Or they believe Jews have the right to do that, but only in the Middle East.
Or, they believe in the historical claim/Biblical claim, and believe specific to Israel, they can kill and steal.
Or, its not so much about Israel, but rather, stereotypical views of Arabs or Moslems being terrorists or violent, and that this somehow gives everyone, of any religion, the right to specifically torture or steal from Arabs/Moslems.
All of these views are wrong and also at odds with the Constitution as well as any other non biased moral code.
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Rick, I suspect as we get deeper into the discussion, you will continue to dodge points or make excuses to explain Israels behavior…
I already addressed your point regarding why Israel would want conflict. I pointed out they want conflict and want tbe US to do their dirty work. Just like they did with Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine. Israel wants dominance and expansion. Relocating Palestinians to neighboring Arab states will just result in Israel claiming now they are being attacked from Egypt or Saudi Arabia therefore they need to take over those countries too. The excuse is obvious.
As a rule of thumb humans are motivated by greed and power. Whoever has more weapons, and more firepower, would have an easier time takint over new land and getting away with it.
Your completely incorrect about Israeli soldiers mourning civilian deaths. They celebrate every civilian death , and have been caught doing so repeatedly lol.
I really dont get your point on “Israels expansion was the result of responding tk attacks on the country”..,
So youre saying if someone attacks israel, israel now has the right to steal the entire city the attacker lives in?
That is completely, completely laughable, absurd, and absolutely no country follows this sort of land grabbing rule, internationally nor domestically. And if thats actually your belief, then you understand the problem this poses for not just Israel but any country in the world. If all it takes to gain new land is for an attacker to exist on that land, youre basically saying that all Israel would have to do is hire someone to shoot rockets from Palestine, and that then gives them the right to steal Palestine. And they can then rinse and repeat that process with basically any country. That sounds like a pretty simple and convenient strategy to take over a country, or even an entire continent…? Also does the same apply jn reverse? See, i dont think you would be okay with Palestinians stealing israel, in response to israel launching attacks on palestine. So we basically go back to my original point, this is basically a difference in fundamental moral values. You believe Israelis have more rights than Arabs. Israelis can attack Arabs, they can steal, but Arabs cant do the same to them.
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Now you're just all over the place RMD.
The notion that tiny Israel wants to subjugate much larger Arab countries is patently ludicrous. So is your moral equivalency argument, unless you're contending that Israel has been lobbing rockets into Muslim civilian targets for years with the sole goal of maximizing civilian casualties.
And yes, if the so-called governments of neighboring territories cannot put a stop to terrorists using their cities to attack your country, then at some point you have to take matters into your own hands. Israel has shown extraordinary restraint for decades, due in no small part to pressure from the U.S. not to cause a "wider conflict."
Hamas viscously attacking defenseless Israeli civilians en masse was just the straw that broke the camel's back. The loss of 1,200 people in a country so small is the statistical equivalent of an attack on the U.S. killing 400,000.
And again, yes, the Palestinians got shafted in the mid to late 40s by a large coalition of countries. Israel was a natural dumping ground for the Holocaust survivors since there were Jews already there with ancestral roots and claims, so Israel it was. It was a very convenient way to alleviate pressure on the other countries to accept refugees that they simply did not want.
But it's over. Two wars have been fought and the Palestinians lost. The last war was almost 60 years ago. It's time for this "refugee camp" fairy tale to end. Multiple times the Palestinians have rejected a two state solution as it would have meant making peace, taking responsibility for their own actions and, of course, abandoning this nonsensical claim of refugee status. It's time that they either change course of get moved out.
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The Tate bros are hardcore right wing sex trafficking pickup artists who believe in Islam and American family values.
Their fans are incels and white hookers who tjink they're black
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@RMD
I hesitate to bother responding to you because you are very well known as a troll, and it appears to me that you are not only trolling this anti semitic nonsense, but you’re also posting centuries old nonsense tropes.
Fact is the Israelis have attempted to aid the Palestinian people since its inception in 1948, they have been rebuffed at every step of the way. Jewish people have legitimate claim to the land of Israel with over 5000 years of continuous existence in this land. There is no such thing as a Palestinian it’s a made up construct that was created by the Romans during their occupation of the land. These people you’re referring to are Egyptian, Jordanian, Lebanese and Syrian people that actually seized land from the Jewish people that lived there originally, prior to their being enslaved in Egypt many millennia ago. If you want to know more there is plenty of documentation available, but you’ll need to look it up and do the research yourself.
Meanwhile shut the fuck up about things you obviously know nothing about, it’s annoying and tiresome.
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Twentyfive, you dont understand how morals work. At all. And its because of a poor upbringing.
You know native americans cant go around killing and stealing in the US, right?
Even though their land was stolen only hundreds of years ago.
Its funny you claim Jews have an ancestral right to Israel.. you do understand thats specifically Semitic Jews, right? Ashkenazi and Ethopian Jews were… literally in eastern europe and africa. Not Palestine.
You seem confused… “Palestine doesnt exist” is a common argument made by foolish people.. its true that Palestine didnt exist as a nation state for a long time.. that doesnt suddenly mean because Palestine didnt “exist” that the people living there dont have rights. You dont need to have an established government to have rights. According to your logic, since America didnt exist when native americans were here, that made it okay to brutalize and kill them? How sad is that? To reach 70+ years old and still not reach moral clarity?
Twentyfive, from my understanding youre in your 70s now… from the way youre talking I feel that anytime you see a rich Arab guy, even in the US, in your mind you think it would be okay to kill them and steal their wealth. Im curious what you think about Dj Khaled? Or French Montana? You act like a guy who believes it would be okay to kill them and steal their stuff just because they’re Arab. I urge you to seek moral clarity and fix yourself, especially at your age. By the way if you look at Bibles from the early 1900s they all have Palestine on their maps, additionally even Jewish people in early 1900s had Palestinian passports. Not sure how you can claim Palestine doesnt exist. Additionally, there were hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who moved into neighboring countries like egypt, jordan, etc, but obviously, many didnt. I mean are you claiming Gaza and the west bank and Rafah are just empty, no people there? I dont really get your argument of “palestine doesnt exist” it seems like youre saying its okay to kill people who live in gaza and the west bank?
Finally, 25, this whole israel palestine thing is an issue of fundamentals. Even if October 7th never happened, guys like you were always foaming at the mouth, desperate to kill any Arab you could find, Christian or Muslim. You keep going on and on about Palestine- yet you want to wipe out Jordan.. and Lebanon.. and Syria.. and Iraq.. and Egypt. The irony of the situation is even Hitler had better morals than you. Its laughable how there are only a few million Jews yet billions of Arabs, so people like you end up self owning yourself
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"Twentyfive, from my understanding youre in your 70s now"
From your posts, @RMD, your IQ is in the 70s, coupled with a hefty mix of paranoid schizophrenia.
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@Rick… the size of landmass of current Israel means nothing…
Regarding your argument of Palestinians holding resentment over something 80 years ago.. that is not the problem. I agree with you that if the land was stolen a long time ago, and the thieves of that land died off, then yes at a certain point you cant just give the land back because your punishing people who had nothing to do with the theft. That applies to palestinians who were there for thousands of years, and also Israelis who were there and didnt steal the land.
But thats not the main issue, Israel has been expanding and taking more land even within the last 50 years. So in this case, many people who took the land are still alive. Its not a case of the theft happening hundreds of years ago.
Israel has small landmass yes, but they have 200 nukes. Most other Arab countries are weaklings military. The Gulf countries like Saudi Arabia, already have or will have security agreements with the US. Besides those countries, Israel has attacked basically everyone else. They are still messing around in, and previously messed around in Iraq, syria, lebanon… and egypt is literally paid to maintain a truce. Not paid as much as israel.
IMO no matter who it is, it is extremely suspicious if a country with 200 nukes, wants all their neighboring countries to not have any nukes. Israel wants to sell the story that Iran are radical Islamists who will uncontrollably use their nukes on every western country. But the reality of the situation is that if another country got nukes, israel wouldnt be able to be a bully like it is now. Even it it was an Arab country with nukes, insisting that Israel or someone else cant have any nukes, that would be something that would need to be carefully examined, not just taking their word for it.
I dont understand the concept of taking land based on if someone attacked you from that land. That is something no modern country would agree with, even Israel itself wouldnt agree with. You can attack people who attack you, you could even confiscate their own property and assets to cover any damages they caused. But it doesnt make sense to for example, take over an entire city because some people in the city attacked you. I dont understand where that ruling comes from, and the major problem with having a ruling like that is that any country would just be incentivized to have its own agents infiltrate the neighboring country, launch some attacks, and then take over that country, and you could basically become a constantly expanding state using that method. Greed is human nature, so any country, if given that permission, would be incentivized to just be in constant war in order to gain more land
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Okay Puddy, and where does the paranoid schizophrenia come from? Do you consider Candace Owens , Dan Bilzerian, Bassem Yousef, Andrew Tate, Scott Ritter, to be in the same category?
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^ Comes from saying people said things they never did. Textbook.
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Proof that RMD is just trolling is in all of his declaring statements
Just to outline a few
Never was a Palestinian passport, there was a British passport issued from about 1925-1948 that called the area mandatory Palestine under British Authority
Israel has never stated that they have nuclear weapons and nothing exists in the public domain that confirms your statement
Israel has never attacked anyone except in self defense
Yes I am seventy one so fucking what, I’ve never had negative thoughts about anyone regardless of their race, or creed, and actually understand the issues
Like I said before son, the facts are available if you’re interested and willing to research them, you simply don’t have them, and you’re an idiot to even consider questioning my morals, you really don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.
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Lol! Israel doesnt have nukes?
Okay 25, even disregarding israel, you probably want to rob and beat guys like dj khaled just fot existing.
Oh yeah and Dj khaled was born in palestine, how was that possible if it doesnt exist? He was born in israel? Or “british mandate of palestine”? Lol?
It was Golda Meir herself who mentioned a Palestinian passport, and all the Bibles in early 1900s had Palestine on the maps.
You understand that is a semantics argument right? Even if there was no official nation state named Palestine, there were still people living in the land mass commonly referred to as Palestine. For example Gaza, West Bank, are consiered part of Palestine even today. Im not sure what your point is in claiming Palestine doesnt exist because usually its used to attempt to justify theft or killing undee the excuse of palestine doesnt exist.
Since thats your world view, you obviously must also believe that it was acceptable to kill native americans since America didnt exist at the time? There was no country called the USA? Correct? And based on your horrid logic you also believe if you run into some village people out in Antarctica you can also rob them and kill them because they dont have an established government and country right? See this is where we differ, some people believe human rights are God given, while others like you believe human rights only exist with a government. Its nonsensical since you can basically justify all kinds of things. You basically are saying if aliens show up here we can just start killing them, or if we discover a new landmass or a new island and people are present there, you can kill them there since its just a landmass without an established and named country
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Twentyfive, so israel, meaning the IDF, has NEVER attacked anyone except self defense? Thats completely laughable. There was literally several IDF soldiers bragging about raping and killing Palestinian women years back.
I mean you can try arguing that israel as a whole, or most of tbeir military is good but its laughable to pretend israel has never attacked except self defense. Let me ask you, do you think jewish criminals have ever existed? Do you believe jeffery epstein existed, that he committed many crimes and was also Jewish?
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^ you have the same problem as many of the others you like to use straw man tactics and try to twist what others say, I never said Israel didn’t have nukes, I did point out that you can’t know this
I don’t have a clue who is djkhaled so why would I wish him harm
Golda Meir wouldn’t have said that, There has never been a country recognized by any governing body named Palestine
No the IDF has never acted offensively except to protect Israel from an external threat
Whether or not Jeffrey Epstein has committed any crimes has less than nothing to do with his being Jewish
Again it’s long past time for you to shut the fuck up.
Don’t expect me to respond to you again you are a troll, a misogynist, and a bigoted fool. You’ve just proved it beyond the shadow of a doubt
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Every time you attack 25 its elder abuse
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news.sky.com
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25 you are known by many as a deranged old man who starts fights with everyone over nonsense, people see you as a disabled guy just blindly swinging your fists punching the air all around you in anger
If you dont know something you can google it, you claim to not know who dj khaled is, yet if you knew who he was you would want to keep him as your personal palestinian prisoner that you could fuck anytime and kiss on.
You are a fringe left winger like the nazis on the right. You are left wing yet also racist, anti immigrant, anti China, anti Arab etc. youll get made fun of no matter whether youre dealing with the left or right
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===> "I dont understand the concept of taking land based on if someone attacked you from that land. That is something no modern country would agree with, even Israel itself wouldnt agree with. "
Except that obviously Israel DOES agree with that, lol, at least in certain circumstances.
When you get attacked over and over and over again from the same strategic position, there comes a point where the only way to prevent future attacks is to remove that position from the hands of the people attacking you (or their enablers as the case may be). Even more so when the enemy is intentionally targeting your civilians.
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^ You are known to be a trolling dumbass with a feeble grasp of logic and a tendency to put words in people's mouths.
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^ That was for @rickmicrobrain nto @rickdugan
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Rick israel doesnt agree with that for themselves. Its a case of rules for thee, not for me. No different than the holocaust denial laws in european countries, or the antisemitism bill proposed here. When i said israel doesnt agree with it im saying if and when an idf soldier or israeli person attacks a palestinian, israel would never agree with the notion that israeli land could be taken because someone on the land attacked someone
What you just described can essentially be used to take over the entire Middle East.
Palestinians are terrorists according to you and many. You claim they can be absorbed into other Arab nations. If and when that happens, it seems like you will just continuously and infinitely justify theft of more and more land. If someone attacks from egypt, they can take that over. Then once egypt is taken, israel will have new neighbors like morocco. They can then plant some people in morocco to “attack over and over” as you put it, and forever expand as long as even a few people are willing to attack from neighboring countries. Throughout that process they would naturally, piss off more and more people who are getting their land stolen.
Also even you are applying this logic selectively, because you wouldnt believe it applies to the US. In no event would you or most other people say okay some americans on the mexico border launched attacks across the border into mexico, so mexico can now take part of texas or california etc.
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