Would u guys want ur kids to get a degree from an unranked college, assuming u w
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Can u guys believe iceyy? LOL.
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Just wanna to clarify ...so i if I said to forget about being a lawyer unless u go to a top school , I see how that would make me elitist.
But you're telling me I sound elitist because I'm saying that the only law schools worth attending are those that are RANKED ? How the fuck is that elitist ? Let me tell you something..it isn't..cuz you can get into many of those schools with a 3.0 GPA, which isn't elitist cuz elitist means selective and that isn't selective cuz that's what need for a bachelors degree type job anyway. ..
So no it isn't elitist I'm shocked....
And how is saying you need to maintain a 3.0 in undergrad to go to a decent law school elitist when 3.0 is the average GPA ?
Another interesting statistic is there are more law school graduates that don’t practice law than there are lawyers tells to something as well.
THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT UP 6 FIGURE SALARY IS BECAUSE HOW ELSE R U GONNA PAY 300 K DEBT PLUS INTEREST? PLEASE TELL ME FINANCIAL GENIUSES OF THE WORLD???
Y'all totally misunderstood me.taking debt to go to school is ok . even at an unranked school.but SIX FIGURE DEBT AT AN UNRANKED SCHOOL IS A WAY DIFFERENT SCENARIO
That is absolutely false.
Going to a top 14 school is great, but a person going to a lesser ranked school can still achieve success and become a successful lawyer. A lawyer I know of (not the one I primarily work for, but one I have dealt with here and there) went to a good undergrad school (same one I went to for undergrad) but had no chance of getting accepted to their law school. Instead, he attended the worst law school in the state because he tanked the LSAT, and he now owns his own firm, albeit a small one, and makes over 250K annually from his firm alone, in addition to working as a public attorney for the local district court when he has the extra time, just because he's a hard worker. He went to an "unranked law school" and is doing very well for himself. He also was a non traditional student, didn't even go to law school until his 30s, and passed the character and fitness despite having a felony for drug possession when he was younger.
My literally fought my family when I told them I was ok with making 60k I even made a post about that lmao
I'm just saying that going to school in 300 K debt is different than going to school with 60 i debt and if youre gonna pay 300 K back in loans u obviously need to make close to 6 figures
.I didnt dispute that. ..??? I even said going to a school ranked below 50 is ok..
my post was about UNRANKED SCHOOLS.
@ NINA: LOWER RANKED SCHOOLS ARE STILL RANKED. PLEASE DO NOT TALK ABOHT LOWER RANK SCHOOLS NINA CUZ THEY ARE STILL RANKED AND THIS POST WAS ONLY ABOUT SCHOOLS THAT ARE NOT RANKED.
@ NINA: LOWER RANKED SCHOOLS ARE STILL RANKED. PLEASE DO NOT TALK ABOHT LOWER RANK SCHOOLS NINA CUZ I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM EVEN IF IT IS RANKED 100. A SCHOOL RANKED 100 IS STILL RANKED AND THIS POST WAS ONLY ABOUT SCHOOLS THAT ARE NOT RANKED.
Ok so stop assuming and putting words in my mouth please..I just told you that a low ranked school is still ranked .this post is only referring to unranked schools which I have already stated....
Graduating and passing the BAR is whats important. And once you get a job, the longer you work, the less anyone cares about where you went to school and your grades definitely don't matter, nor does your graduation standing.... Its a performance oriented field.
And being a lawyer isn't about arguing....you'll get sanctioned for being uncooperative if you argue like you do on here.
My advice is get a job at a legal office as soon as you can, get a taste of what the legal field is really like.
SJG
Appellate law= all about oral arguemnts
What are oral arguments ? Arguments .
You want to know one thing you have to really excel at to become an appellate attorney? Writing. Specifically writing and typing, which you have shown you are incapable of. Challenging a conviction with an appeals court requires extremely particular wording because case law already sets precedent on maby convictions, and briefs for appellate law take a while and need to be extremely meticulous.
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...yeah.I know.......................
I like intellectual debate, which Is What appellate is.
That top level of lawyering is very competitive, and what school you graduate from does matter, as well as class standing.
I'd like to see Nicole replace Brett Kavanagh.
SJG
At sgj exactly . that's what law school exams are all about which I'm sure u know.they give u a hypothetical fact situation and ask how it should be decided based on court reasoning and ask you to frame the case accordingly .
On these exams at my school which has a great public law program for undergrad, i got 97 and above on those tests with a few 100 in between ..and that was in a class that was graded based on a curve with all the pre law students at UT, a fraction of which are currently at top 8 law programs .
My professor told me she loved how hard I worked and that I had insightful knowledge of the reading and told me she would support me in any way in the future and she randomly emailed me a few wks ago to ask how I was doing ....
Anyway...Nicole replacing Brett kavaunsugh ?
No. See i don't think I would be bad at law school tests but you gotta be top of the top for to be brett kauvanaugh level. While I have always dreamed of graduating as close to #1 for law school as possible , I won't be surprised if I graduate only in the top 40% ....but I do feel that I have what it takes to kill it, but only time will tell.
U j
The thing with Law school rankings is if you have high LSAT scores and are a good student, you could probably do well at a top tier school, or a middle tier school, or a weak school.
Alan Dershowitz is a real legal genius...
He graduated #1 in his class from Yale.
Unlike you iceyy I give respect where it's due. ..got to respect someone with a crazy ass work ethic .
That was not point. My point was that simply just passing is not the epitome of accomplishment like u claim, because everyone has to pass that test - so its just thr minimun.
You want to admire someone, look at people like Dershowitz who have actual legacies to leave behind.
Your obsession with ranking isn't gonna get you anywhere and I'm giving you sound real life advice. You won't get it til reality hits you.
It didn't matter in the sense that I don't think its the end be all..
And its okay if u don't have it..but just cuz it doesnt matter doesn't mean it isn't worth acknowledging.
An achievement is an achievement , and an academic accomplishment is no different .
I'm sorry that you're such a bad a sport that for some reason, you find it ok to acknowledge an accomplishment in one field such as someone who goes to an unranked school and makes money but you can't have the same respect for someone who is equally accomplished but in another field (academics) .
I never said that school was because it certainly isn't, all I said was that to be accomplished is to be accomplished , and being #1 in your law school class(especially at a top 30 school) is a huge accomplishment , to the same extent if not greater than becoming partner.
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I am not the one who selectively chooses to praise an accomplishment in one area but not thr other , THAT IS WHAT YOU RESORT TO DOING .
BTW, you are committing a logical fallacy (again ) by trying to make urself look better.
We both know there are "accomplishments " that have no merit and accomplishments that do
Getting into USC just because your family is famous is not an accomplishment
..but outcompeting a super hard working group such as law students and winning is an accomplishment (otherwise everyone would be doing it- DUH)
OK
But somehow I did decent at minimum on tests that examined us about the application of supreme court reasoning to new cases ?
yet come on here pretending like You're some legal prodigy.
Oh..because I state my views about law school, a subject that you open the conversation to ? By your own same logic, I guess you must be a prodigy as well cuz u do the same thing. Lol.....
U know what does tho? Asserting the superiority of ur own opinions, which is what u do by labeling me as unrealistic ..and that is something I have never done.lol.
Again, love it how y'all call me bratty etc when I'm not the one that does the name calling.
You can't tell someone that they can't apply legal arguemnts when they have repeatedly been tested over exactly that- applying legal arguments,not memorizing them .
^ thats fine . I'm.not asking you to tell me sorry for having called me unrealistic .What I'm saying is that for you to have called me that makes you the bratty one with their nose in the air, and not me
If anything, I have never engaged in such ridiculing and therefore do not deserve to be called bratty .
Of course lawyers do many types of things, but you seem interested in the Senate and the Federal Bench.
Well have you looked at what money these people get, SCOTUS, lower courts, US Senate, State Courts, Deputy DA's and Public Defenders.
And then as this information will all be easily available, look at where these people went to school, and then how they started their careers.
I know of the daughter of some friends who just did a stint law clerking in Hawaii.
And of course there is always corporate lawyering for people who want to advance their interests in the federal court. And them some of the people who do this will also be law school professors. I am sure many go into teaching in the law schools mostly to advance their reputation and status, with an eye on handling big cases and eventually the federal bench.
Here I see that most of those who want to work in the local criminal system do start out in the DA or Public Defender's Offices. Many will eventually end up as judges.
And then I have been one of the activists in the audience in some local high profile criminal trails. The room usually has lots of law school students, and lots of interns with either the DA or the Public Defender.
Low level criminal court stuff really destroys families and lives. We have activists who try to interdict this by taking charge of the situation, starting from the arraignment.
https://acjusticeproject.org/
SJG
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Dave Matthews and Warren Hayes
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No I don't. I was never concerned. I only talked about money in the context of going to an unranked school and taking 300 k in debt
When you take 300 k in debt, of course you need to think about money cuz how else are u gonna pay 6 figures in debt.
However, like I said, I was only talking about money in the context of taking on lot of debt
If a person goes to school with minimal or even average debt , money is not relaly a concern for me or anyone
As for me, money is also not a concern becaue I am perfectly fine with a 50 k salary and don't plan on taking on much debt
So again, u misunderstood me.
Have you looked at where people went to school and at how they got to where they are?
Tainted Trials Stolen Justice
https://www.mercurynews.com/2007/01/31/p…
Our county has about 12,000 felony cases per year. But only 1 in 40 go to trial, to make for 300 trials. The conviction rate is 98%.
Most felony convictions are appealed. But very very few are overturned.
Reporter Frederick Tulsky put together a panel of experts, Law School Professors and Retired Appeals Court Judges. Though he doesn't say this openly, he was getting people who were qualified to be Appeals Court Justices. He made his own court.
They reviewed the 700 most recent felony appeals. In over 1/3 of them they found problems of the level of Judicial Misconduct, Obstruction of Justice, and complete incompetence.
He found things people should have been disbarred for.
So most of the heat was directed at our long term DA, George Kennedy, who was retired, along with the disbarring of a Deputy DA.
But the real problem seems to have been with our 6th District Appeals Court, who were allowing horribly dirty convictions to stand. They were over turning too few. And they were publishing far to few, so that the decisions could not be cited as precedents.
Not sure how much has changed today, as a very high conviction rate is still seen as a political necessity.
Here, you can find the rest of the series here, just keep loading more to get to it.
https://www.mercurynews.com/author/fredr…
The son of a friend of mine is serving a live sentence, widely known to have had a horrible trial, presided over by a horrible judge. He is mentioned in the series as having a trial which was completely improper.
SJG
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This college debt thing really stinks, no good comes from it. We need to make college free.
Not sure how the Bernie Sanders proposal was to have worked, but I think he has written a book about it.
SJG
Hmm a little but I feel like there's a way to avoid that kind of pressure. ..its hard but I think its possible
The British born Astrophysicist Freeman Dyson never tired of denouncing our German derived PhD system for exactly those reasons.
And then there is:
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