Ok so now I'm just 1 for 2......this is my 2nd dancer I've dated and un like the hell on wheels before this one that made me say hell no to dancers.....I'm now dating one that is complet diff.....I've had such a fuckin good time with this former ATF but now is an S.O......she is so nice and giving (yes in and out of bed lol)......I tell ya after this one is dune I will be totaly open to dating a nother dancer....I thank I just need to figure out witch one to say hell no and hell yes 2.......thought I would share
I was dating one, but she was SO over dramatic, I just didn't want to deal with it anymore. She (like most of these girls) was used to men bending and falling at her every word, and I just don't do that. I liked her, but I wasn't going to be her man-bitch, and she'd go crazy because of that. So I pulled out (double entendre) before things got out of control.
Just a couple of thoughts from my experiences...
1) The sex was always great. The conversation was hit or miss. They're interesting, but it can get boring in the long run.
2) You can't help but worry about them. Not because you fear they're messing with every guy they meet, but SC's are filled with drama and other strange influences from the other girls and the owners.
3) I worked regular hours, so it was difficult to get together cuz she usually worked nights and weekends.
Great idea Gator. Or, how about a reality show based on the girls at a SC? The stuff going on in the dressing rooms, when they go home, conversations with customers, etc. Would knock "Jersey Shore" off the charts.
Hard10's second point is a huge reason I don't pursue anymore. I mean, they're are very normal girls working there, but they keep their personal lives and work lives as separated as possible.
Just keep it in perspective. Most good things eventually come to an end. Other than P4P, I have dated 3. The first one lasted two years, The second one went 6. I am at 7 months with the current one. She took me to dinner last Thu.
Been there, done that, would love to try it again. Juice, watch your heart and your wallet. Women who take their clothes off and snuggle with men they just met = think differently than most of the women we learned to interact with. Not dumber, not smarter, just different.
If you do not expect consistency and do not demand restrictions on her behavior, that will help. As a suggestion, if you are out (not in a SC) with this lovely woman, be wild, be fun, and treat her like a princess, but when alone with her, be the calm presence in the room, listen to her and ask her what she wants.
I dated a stripper more on than off for three years. She was a 9 (didn't swallow) and 20+ yrs younger than me. We traveled some, had "normal" dates, but the DRAMA and the need to be "in charge" from 8 yrs of stripping was too much for me. I agree than men-bitch is all they want, and its ok as long as it is worth it. Good luck! I don't think I'd do it again though.
Been there, done that and now splitting time between 2 or 3 others. Any one of them could be my next SO. I'm not planning to settle down though so we'll see how it goes. The last one & I were exclusive for over 18 months before her husband started some shit. Bad break up but I wouldn't trade that time for anything. Enjoy it while you can & hope for the best.
Thanks to all the mother fuckas on this site that keeps shit real ! No honestly thank you guys for all the comments ! They have been helpful ! Now to all those bitch ass punks that did not fuck a sandwitch sideways beeeeeeeeeyaaaaaaaaaa !!
Enjoy it while it lasts. I had one dancer go stalker like on me.
This thread brought back some memories. I remember one dancer who I broke up with by simply not contacting her anymore. I never gave her my number or address. I used to hang out with her for up to a few months. I do not remember what about her upset me. I was glad I didn't loan her one my CD's she liked. She was one year older than me at that time.
I just posted on your other forum too Juice. Man, your topics and questions are really on point!
I just met another stripper at another club who wants to hook up, and she tells me to put my wallet away. She says that she's tired of dealing with drunk patrons, and just wants to have sex, go to dinner, sex, the movies, and so on.
I am going to meet her today. She seems to be a much more upbeat person that my old ATF. However, I know this shit could turn on a dime. I will keep my eyes out for another stripper as well. It's like to NFL draft! I need some new recruits for the upcoming Mack season! LOL
Bottom line, try not to get too wrapped up in these women. I swear, if I meet a regular sweet woman, I'm out of this stripper dating game!! LOL
Man you got lucky. These babes usually have so much baggage they are not worth the long term hassle. I have talked to a few that thought had their act together and stripping was just easy money to them. They were the ones that did not had out phone number easily. Good luck man!
its fun for juice guys cause I've got so much bagged and dammage that I just love a good fucked up in the head bitch ! I feel like she gets me lol !........stent 1 hell ya son ! Every girl I date from the club means a fuckton 2 me but yes I will always be looking and reviewing the new up cumming class lol !
Rh48hr,
You're right! That's why I pursue strippers. At least I know that things will be dysfunctional from the door.
I went to meet up with the new stripper last night, and she wasn't there! I was about to leave, when she called me to say that she was on her way to the club. Anyway, she arrives and we talk and have a few dances, and I leave.
I go home and go to sleep so I can get up for work today.
She calls me at midnight, and again at 2am saying that we should hook up now!
I declined, but there's always a hitch when dealing with strippers. I'll see if I can keep this one going. Their hours are so different, I would be a zombie if I hooked up with her.
AHHHHHHHHHH Juice. i gotta call your bluff on this one. You're not dating a stripper. At least not in the conventional sense. It's probably OTC where you drop some money on her and fuck. She doesn't have feelings for you. She doesn't care about you. None of them do. You may care about her and have feelings for her but she doesn't have them for you. This is true for all strippers and 98% of regular women.
kingcripple I respect your veiws and ideas.....hell I would normaly agree with all you have said.....maybee this was so in the beggining with her 7 years ago when I was paying to see her....but at this point I don't pay at all except for the normal civi dating cost of doing thangs ..........but keep in mind juice loves long and hard......and is building a stable of girls I can get this from......this ATF/SO of mine is made it to my bottom bitch statise.......whitch in other words is my main lady.....my main dish you can say.....as feelings go I know I feel love for her and I would hope for the same back but I don't sweat these thangs cause this is like argueing gods exsitance and morals and politics...........thanks for the comments bro and I like it when some one challenges me bro.....stay kool bro ! And hopfuly I will see ya in 2013 lol
ill admit juice. I would LOVE to date a stripper. I just do not think its possible. my view on women, all women, not just strippers, is that they all are money grubbing whores. if you aint got the cash, you aint got the girl. think of it like this, being realistic instead of optimistic, would your ATF/SO "date" you if you were broke?
"She doesn't have feelings for you. She doesn't care about you. None of them do. You may care about her and have feelings for her but she doesn't have them for you. This is true for all strippers and 98% of regular women"
If you truly believe what you said in the above quote, I have to believe that you will be a Bachelor for the rest of your life kingcripple. I mean why would you even bother trying to establish a REAL relationship with a woman if you believe she will have NO feelings at all for you & will be TOTALLY selfish in her dealings with you.
But king I do understand your veiw on this one......I share some of his veiw and am able to look into it the way you see it..........thanks for being kool ma'an.......pm me some stories from the club from time 2 time and I wll do like wise
Alucard, the main point was about the strippers. No stripper would date any guy, customer or otherwise if they didnt have cash or maybe drugs. the comment about the 98% of regular girls wouldn't if there was no money involved, at least theres that 2% that would.
Alucard, the main point was about the strippers. No stripper would date any guy, customer or otherwise if they didnt have cash or maybe drugs. the comment about the 98% of regular girls wouldn't if there was no money involved, at least theres that 2% that would.
So you pay cash to 98% of civilian women to date you? And just a mere 2% decide to date you because you're such a nice guy & you don't have to lure them with a cash offer?
no. that would insinuate that the 98% are escorts/hooker/prostitutes whatever. you dont pay them to date you. they can smell money. they know when a guy is rich and go in for the kill. its like a 6th sense. once the money is gone or you wise up to their trickery, they go looking for the next rich bastard
→ "No. They. Don't" {a Comment regarding whether or not Strippers have FEELINGS}
→ "my view on women, all women, not just strippers, is that they all are money grubbing whores. if you aint got the cash, you ain't got the girl"
→ "You may care about her and have feelings for her but she doesn't have them for you. This is true for all strippers and 98% of regular women."
→ "the comment about the 98% of regular girls wouldn't if there was no money involved, at least there's that 2% that would."
→ "I do find certain woman attractive. If I find you attractive and you actually take the time to talk to me, I may develop a crush. I doubt seriously I would try to ask you on a date, but in the VERY rare occasion that I would (this has never happened), reject me tactfully"
Now Mr. kingcripple Sir, I think that most of us TUSCL members would agree that an overwhelming majority of Dancers or other Sex Workers are unlikely to go on a date or participate in an OTC meeting without a Financial incentive being made. I won't guess at a percentage, but I won't say it is 100%. There are always those exceptions to the rule. But we're talking about "regular", "civilian" women in this post - NOT Dancers or other Sex Workers.
Based on what I can gather from you based on your all encompassing comments, you say that 98% of "regular", "civilian" women need to have a financial incentive placed before them otherwise they will decline at go on a regular type date. And that ONLY 2% of these women, & according to your "Numbers" that is only 1 woman out of 50, will accept a date invitation & NOT require a Financial incentive. Are these two percentages based on your direct personal experience in asking regular women for dates? If not, please provide the source of your information regarding these two percentages. And is what you're saying about these percentages TRUE, or is it something you made up?
In my lifetime I have not asked 50 women for dates. But of the number that I have asked and that subsequently accepted my invitation, ABSOLUTELY ZERO required that I present some sort of Financial incentive for them to accept my social invitation. That's a 100% acceptance rate NOT requiring a $$$ offer to accept among those women that said YES, not a 2% rate! Now I may not be the most suave or best looking guy in the World, buy I'm polite, respectful & gentlemanly in my interactions with regular women & with Dancers & other Sex Workers. I don't believe that being arrogant Asshole works well in interacting with any woman from any walk of life! So Mr. kingcripple Sir, why the WIDE difference in percentages?
The following quote of your words is VERY, VERY telling Sir:
→ "my view on women, all women, not just strippers, is that they all are money grubbing whores. if you ain't got the cash, you ain't got the girl"
My impression of you based on what I've read of your words on this Forum is that you to some degree REALLY dislike all women. The above indicated quote of your words says volumes about you Sir. I don't know why you seem to dislike women SO much.
This is just a guess on my part based on this quote of your words:
→ "I do find certain woman attractive. If I find you attractive and you actually take the time to talk to me, I may develop a crush. I doubt seriously I would try to ask you on a date, but in the VERY rare occasion that I would (this has never happened), reject me tactfully"
Perhaps you were hurt deeply by a girl or woman sometime in the past. I don't know. Does this fear of rejection extend to regular women too? Is this why you appear to feel a need to be SO impolite, disrespectful, ungentlemanly & just plain RUDE in your comments about women?
Maybe I'm out in Left Field concerning my impression of you. I'm curious as to the impressions of other members here at TUSCL about you via your comments. I'm NOT sure how many would be ready to give a public & honest impression. I can present my view of you since at this point in my life & in my membership here, I'm not bothered or concerned about NEGATIVE reactions to opinions that I express on this Forum.
Please present your CLEAR, PRECISE and amended views about women if you actually care to. Or just stand by what you have already expressed.
Wow Alucard, you did your homework. i don't know whether to be impressed or frightened. please understand that was not meant to be taken sarcastically. It may have sounded like it was but I sincerely did not mean for it to. I do recall making every single one of those comments though the "reject me tactfully" comment, I do not remember the precise question I commented on. If you could, please remind me as i am too lazy to search through stuff to remember.
Anyway, the 98% number is just simply a number I pulled out of my hat. no significance to it what so ever. I just felt it would've been too cliche to say 99% and didn't want to give the fairer sex too much credit.
You are right, I do have a low opinion of women. My mother abandoned me when I was 14. So yeah. That definatly shaped my perception of women ALOT.
As far as the comment about women being money grubbing whores. That view came about a few years ago. I was in this bible study group. There was this girl there (non stripper/sex worker) I had a huge crush on. one day i was hanging out with one of our friends at his apartment. I made a bet with him that this girl would agree with me that any girl would take a guy with good looks and/or a deep pocket book over a great personality. Have you ever heard Kanye West's song Golddigger? she quoted the chorus. which confirmed my belief. I was kinda hurt, though I got my apartment cleaned as per the stipulations of our bet. At the time we made the bet I was half joking about women wanting a rich guy above a guy with a great personality. But this confirmed the half belief i had. It stuck with me.
I have to disagree with you on the subject matter of this post. Juice here, the OP, had asked about dating strippers. not civis. if you look back at the original reply that you quoted from me, I think it is pretty clear I am refering to strippers in the majority of the post. there is but one mention of civis.
But then you say that the percentage of strippers that would date a customer with compensation is not 100%, meaning you think that there is a percentage, no matter how high or low, who would date a customer without compensation yet you admittedly don't wanna venture a guess on it. That's fine.
I see on here alot that many members of TUSCL are "dating" strippers. I chalk that up as an OTC arriangment or something that is paid for. Now Mr. Juice admitted he thinks the girl would date him with out. Personally I think Juice is drinking the juice, hence his TUSCL nick. (sorry Juicer youre my boy but im trying to prove some points here). I think it's because I am old school and believe all strippers are man hating lesbians (though some are mothers, imagine that). The question I'd like to pose to you, Alucard, do you have any experience dating strippers without giving them money? Are you sure they are/were with you for your personality? I'd love to hear any stories
In summation, I whole heartedly stand by what I said. Hopefully by reading paragraphs 3 and 4 a few times you understand now. Also have you confronted Gatorfan and Dougster about their women hating comments, or do you like to confront young guys?
"Wow Alucard, you did your homework. i don't know whether to be impressed or frightened"
kingcripple, the above post should have said - Please SEE PM.
kingcripple, regarding the quote above about homework, when I challenge a comment posted I prefer & try to have at least 1 leg to stand on when I present an opinion about the situation.
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Glad you found a good one Juice.
1) The sex was always great. The conversation was hit or miss. They're interesting, but it can get boring in the long run.
2) You can't help but worry about them. Not because you fear they're messing with every guy they meet, but SC's are filled with drama and other strange influences from the other girls and the owners.
3) I worked regular hours, so it was difficult to get together cuz she usually worked nights and weekends.
If you do not expect consistency and do not demand restrictions on her behavior, that will help. As a suggestion, if you are out (not in a SC) with this lovely woman, be wild, be fun, and treat her like a princess, but when alone with her, be the calm presence in the room, listen to her and ask her what she wants.
This thread brought back some memories. I remember one dancer who I broke up with by simply not contacting her anymore. I never gave her my number or address. I used to hang out with her for up to a few months. I do not remember what about her upset me. I was glad I didn't loan her one my CD's she liked. She was one year older than me at that time.
I just met another stripper at another club who wants to hook up, and she tells me to put my wallet away. She says that she's tired of dealing with drunk patrons, and just wants to have sex, go to dinner, sex, the movies, and so on.
I am going to meet her today. She seems to be a much more upbeat person that my old ATF. However, I know this shit could turn on a dime. I will keep my eyes out for another stripper as well. It's like to NFL draft! I need some new recruits for the upcoming Mack season! LOL
Bottom line, try not to get too wrapped up in these women. I swear, if I meet a regular sweet woman, I'm out of this stripper dating game!! LOL
Does this woman actually exist? I haven't seen it. lol.
You're right! That's why I pursue strippers. At least I know that things will be dysfunctional from the door.
I went to meet up with the new stripper last night, and she wasn't there! I was about to leave, when she called me to say that she was on her way to the club. Anyway, she arrives and we talk and have a few dances, and I leave.
I go home and go to sleep so I can get up for work today.
She calls me at midnight, and again at 2am saying that we should hook up now!
I declined, but there's always a hitch when dealing with strippers. I'll see if I can keep this one going. Their hours are so different, I would be a zombie if I hooked up with her.
If you truly believe what you said in the above quote, I have to believe that you will be a Bachelor for the rest of your life kingcripple. I mean why would you even bother trying to establish a REAL relationship with a woman if you believe she will have NO feelings at all for you & will be TOTALLY selfish in her dealings with you.
→ "No. They. Don't" {a Comment regarding whether or not Strippers have FEELINGS}
→ "my view on women, all women, not just strippers, is that they all are money grubbing whores. if you aint got the cash, you ain't got the girl"
→ "You may care about her and have feelings for her but she doesn't have them for you. This is true for all strippers and 98% of regular women."
→ "the comment about the 98% of regular girls wouldn't if there was no money involved, at least there's that 2% that would."
→ "I do find certain woman attractive. If I find you attractive and you actually take the time to talk to me, I may develop a crush. I doubt seriously I would try to ask you on a date, but in the VERY rare occasion that I would (this has never happened), reject me tactfully"
Now Mr. kingcripple Sir, I think that most of us TUSCL members would agree that an overwhelming majority of Dancers or other Sex Workers are unlikely to go on a date or participate in an OTC meeting without a Financial incentive being made. I won't guess at a percentage, but I won't say it is 100%. There are always those exceptions to the rule. But we're talking about "regular", "civilian" women in this post - NOT Dancers or other Sex Workers.
Based on what I can gather from you based on your all encompassing comments, you say that 98% of "regular", "civilian" women need to have a financial incentive placed before them otherwise they will decline at go on a regular type date. And that ONLY 2% of these women, & according to your "Numbers" that is only 1 woman out of 50, will accept a date invitation & NOT require a Financial incentive. Are these two percentages based on your direct personal experience in asking regular women for dates? If not, please provide the source of your information regarding these two percentages. And is what you're saying about these percentages TRUE, or is it something you made up?
In my lifetime I have not asked 50 women for dates. But of the number that I have asked and that subsequently accepted my invitation, ABSOLUTELY ZERO required that I present some sort of Financial incentive for them to accept my social invitation. That's a 100% acceptance rate NOT requiring a $$$ offer to accept among those women that said YES, not a 2% rate! Now I may not be the most suave or best looking guy in the World, buy I'm polite, respectful & gentlemanly in my interactions with regular women & with Dancers & other Sex Workers. I don't believe that being arrogant Asshole works well in interacting with any woman from any walk of life! So Mr. kingcripple Sir, why the WIDE difference in percentages?
The following quote of your words is VERY, VERY telling Sir:
→ "my view on women, all women, not just strippers, is that they all are money grubbing whores. if you ain't got the cash, you ain't got the girl"
My impression of you based on what I've read of your words on this Forum is that you to some degree REALLY dislike all women. The above indicated quote of your words says volumes about you Sir. I don't know why you seem to dislike women SO much.
This is just a guess on my part based on this quote of your words:
→ "I do find certain woman attractive. If I find you attractive and you actually take the time to talk to me, I may develop a crush. I doubt seriously I would try to ask you on a date, but in the VERY rare occasion that I would (this has never happened), reject me tactfully"
Perhaps you were hurt deeply by a girl or woman sometime in the past. I don't know. Does this fear of rejection extend to regular women too? Is this why you appear to feel a need to be SO impolite, disrespectful, ungentlemanly & just plain RUDE in your comments about women?
Maybe I'm out in Left Field concerning my impression of you. I'm curious as to the impressions of other members here at TUSCL about you via your comments. I'm NOT sure how many would be ready to give a public & honest impression. I can present my view of you since at this point in my life & in my membership here, I'm not bothered or concerned about NEGATIVE reactions to opinions that I express on this Forum.
Please present your CLEAR, PRECISE and amended views about women if you actually care to. Or just stand by what you have already expressed.
THX for your time Sir.
Anyway, the 98% number is just simply a number I pulled out of my hat. no significance to it what so ever. I just felt it would've been too cliche to say 99% and didn't want to give the fairer sex too much credit.
You are right, I do have a low opinion of women. My mother abandoned me when I was 14. So yeah. That definatly shaped my perception of women ALOT.
As far as the comment about women being money grubbing whores. That view came about a few years ago. I was in this bible study group. There was this girl there (non stripper/sex worker) I had a huge crush on. one day i was hanging out with one of our friends at his apartment. I made a bet with him that this girl would agree with me that any girl would take a guy with good looks and/or a deep pocket book over a great personality. Have you ever heard Kanye West's song Golddigger? she quoted the chorus. which confirmed my belief. I was kinda hurt, though I got my apartment cleaned as per the stipulations of our bet. At the time we made the bet I was half joking about women wanting a rich guy above a guy with a great personality. But this confirmed the half belief i had. It stuck with me.
I have to disagree with you on the subject matter of this post. Juice here, the OP, had asked about dating strippers. not civis. if you look back at the original reply that you quoted from me, I think it is pretty clear I am refering to strippers in the majority of the post. there is but one mention of civis.
But then you say that the percentage of strippers that would date a customer with compensation is not 100%, meaning you think that there is a percentage, no matter how high or low, who would date a customer without compensation yet you admittedly don't wanna venture a guess on it. That's fine.
I see on here alot that many members of TUSCL are "dating" strippers. I chalk that up as an OTC arriangment or something that is paid for. Now Mr. Juice admitted he thinks the girl would date him with out. Personally I think Juice is drinking the juice, hence his TUSCL nick. (sorry Juicer youre my boy but im trying to prove some points here). I think it's because I am old school and believe all strippers are man hating lesbians (though some are mothers, imagine that). The question I'd like to pose to you, Alucard, do you have any experience dating strippers without giving them money? Are you sure they are/were with you for your personality? I'd love to hear any stories
In summation, I whole heartedly stand by what I said. Hopefully by reading paragraphs 3 and 4 a few times you understand now. Also have you confronted Gatorfan and Dougster about their women hating comments, or do you like to confront young guys?
kingcripple, the above post should have said - Please SEE PM.
kingcripple, regarding the quote above about homework, when I challenge a comment posted I prefer & try to have at least 1 leg to stand on when I present an opinion about the situation.
BE impressed & do your homework too kingcripple.
THX