good and bad

First visit in a while. The physical layout is pretty much the same -- long bar with large dance stage, good lap dance area (comfortable sofas, some privacy though don't be fooled by beads curtain -- they don't close; you're relatively hidden to most of the bar but bartenders can see). Bartenders are pretty good guys, while pushing drinks some, there's no problem is you don't want to buy a drink for a girl.

There are probably more long-time girls working here than most places; not sure if loyalty or not.. The overall quality is so-so; about 40 percent are older and very heavy, another 10 percent very skinny, about 30 percent relatively young, sorta out of shape and frankly fugly -- but there's usually at least a couple of pretty good looking woman. At one time, you had a lot of new girls joining the regulars; that's not the case so much -- what you see is probably what you'll get, even if you take a break and then return after a few months.

The girls will be friendly at the bar, depending somewhat on where you sit. You can sit and order 2-3 drinks without any pressure for lap dance/VIP, then either the girl or more likely bartender will make suggestion. Overall, most of the girls, while relatively nice, do have a pretty "this is business" type of approach, though there are exceptions