Comments by JeffTUSCL (page 5)

1. It was on IG, genius, IG does not pop messages up like SMS. 2. I did't text anything blatant, I know how to message when doing a reach-out like that 3. if people worried about someone potentially always looking over the shoulder of a girl they are texting nothing would ever get sent 4. Nobody asked you for your sanctimonious opinion. 5. She had a bf when she was seeing me, should I have walked on eggshells about texting her THEN? Back then I was texting her very explicitly about going down on her and other acts - and she loved it. Was I worried then her boyfriend might spy something popping up on her phone?

Looks like it's on for tomorrow night :)

@rickdugan that's lame thinking. Numerous times I've reached out to girls I got out of touch with almost 2 years and within a week they were over my place no issue. Others 2 months and it's "wrong number". You can't gauge it by time, you have to throw a fishing line out regardless to see if there is any engagement. A couple of texts before giving up fully is not stalking.

I don't get my financial advice from posts on strip club web sites, but thanks for the effort.

Very very very few would spur my interest and even those only if it's the same rate as an escort and it's not scripted mechanical experience. Before a certain site went dark, I would occasionally enjoy reading reviews of guys who paid for porn stars and on some of them it did read like a massively nice experience. Not $1,500 per hour worth it nice. But that's why I stuck to just reading others' experiences.

It's a douche move, deserving of a knock down. But not in the club - don't want to get banned from a pussy heaven!

Since you seem to want to represent women... man, I can't put my finger on why someone would prefer short bursts of paying for a fantasy fulfillment than spending time with someone like you for free... what could it possibly be?

Well time is money and you're spending a lot of time to be here posting, so by that you are paying for PLs to be your friends, so what level of pathetic does that make you?

Strip clubs not much as I only became very active this year and sporadic times in the past. $5,000. Maybe $6,000. If talking about p4p of any type, I think somewhere around $140,000 by now over almost 2 decades. Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to have not had any of those experiences and instead have invested the money in a simple index fund which would probably have a value of about $350,000. Thousands of exhilarating sexual experiences with mostly hot babes or enough to put a huge down payment on a McMansion. I think I'd still choose the experiences. The only downside is that it's a part of my life I can't talk about. It's also what drives me to be ambitious in career path so I'm always making good money to have the extra to play with.

justaguy79 I'm not referring SA. Also, you might want to pay attention to what my topic is about. I didn't say I was trying to hook up with her. I found it interesting to come across her on one of these sites and I was curious to gauge what the thought she could get. I have no idea why you're plying advice to me on this, I would not even pay $10 for her. I don't even know if I would see her again if someone paid me to do it. She's one of the most narcissistic, demanding broke drama-fueled nutcase I ever hung out with.

Remember, though, that if she does it to him she will do it to you in the future with another guy. There is always a bigger fish.

I have found that time and continual supply of money are big factors. It is like a momentum equation. If I consistently see the same girl for a very long time, weekly if possible, at some point it has nearly perpetual motion even with big time gaps. If I see a girl sporadically or only a short time and a similar time gap happens, then it takes some work to regain traction and the longer time passes the more effort it takes and at some point no amount of effort works. Dynamically, the same type of girl with the same lifestyle will have a certain perception of the need of a relationship and the willingness to let go, like any addiction. If a girl has enough time pass where her life goes on as usual then it is reinforced to her that she doesn't need you. If you continuously see a girl, whether she needs you or not, she will perceive that she does need you. I do believe that any girl can get by in life without any help from anyone, it is just a matter of her willingness. The need for p4p or SD or whatever the dynamic is a mental cocoon. It is a choice and that choice can either be made over & over which builds one belief system or it can be cut out for long enough to form a new belief system. Obviously the same choice can be made on our end. I don't need any of this, but I am continuously choosing it. The break may happen when I run out of options and need to go cold turkey for some length of time long enough to get past withdrawal.

Escorts and strippers aren't really the same dynamic. Escort ads are also not really the best way to meet up with them, but I honestly have not been on that landscape for a long time and the online means to find them (or reviews) is now sparse. $300-400 is the real range for most for 1 hour. I'm not a member of HX but from what I understand it's still possible to find a willing provider in the $150-250 range there, but the site seems a bit risky.

Yeah, this had nothing to do with strippers or strip clubs. She's not a stripper. She gave me plenty of her contact details in the past, but it was a few years since we spoke and the contact methods I had at this point didn't work but finding her was easy since we know our names and she uses her full name as her IG name. I wasn't asking to meet her, I just sent her a message to say hi and see how she's been doing. I think she probably doesn't want a current boyfriend to stumble on DMs like that based on her responses. I wasn't explicit, I only responded with enough for her recollection. The point of the post was the disappointment of not being able to re-spark any traction. I have had some girls change phones and initially tell me "wrong number" when testing them after a gap of 2 months, but turn it around when the obvious confusion is cleared up. This instance was years so very slim chance but worth a shot as she's stunning.

I don't know about other cities but in LA you can get almost anything you want from the hottest dancers in a club for $600 or less including VIP, entrance and some drinks. Honestly even $500 is enough. I give myself a buffer because even if I want to go for high mileage I still might do some test run LDs with some other girls which might run anywhere from $40 to $100 overall plus tips for the good ones.

>>> I was just joking lol. I wouldn't know what to say to a regular girl at 1:00 in the morning at 7/11 anyway. My comment was more generalized, as it seems that guys can't get out of the concept of the girl maybe being a ho as anything to do with cracking her attention from her date. The better approach is to talk to the guy she is with, and gauging both reactions. If you can parlay better value than him, you can walk away and she will find a way to talk to you when you (for example) go to the rest room and she excuses herself from her date. He won't be the wiser.

I agree with PaulDrake, if the girl is stripping anyway then I prefer it to be something sexy that regular life attractive women would wear. Sundresses are one of the best things, ever.

Evidence of what? Other sites have been shut down for only 3 reasons: Money laundering, provable facilitation of sex trafficking (or risk of being prosecuted criminally for such), by the owners themselves for fear of liabilities The problem is the fear, that is what the government is using as an intimidation tactic to create a perception of LE doing something that a lot of people think is going on but isn't. Not many people really want to shut down consenting adults doing what they want, but unfortunately the side effect of what's going on is just that.

Why would you think the only way to go up to a women you think is a hooker is by bringing up a hooker topic? Just talk to her like you would a regular female.

It's easy. Just get her for a front room make out session.

The problem with current times is that the ho lifestyle is glorified. The access to hot women willing to put morals aside (and I'm not talking about sex workers but just the typical female) is much greater than before with a lower stigma attached. There is still a stigma attached to women who admit to being cum dumpsters, but they are doing it on the down low so much more frequently than in days past and they are putting their sexual selves out there so much more than in days past. With this proverbial freedom comes a detachment of any sense of settling - practically every female out there who feels a sexual power thinks that they can coast through life getting what they want and throwing any sense of a traditional life until they find the perfect situation with the perfect man. Then they reach their 30's and realize they are running out of time - and realize that upping their game won't work because they are now competing with a pool of younger (and hotter) women who are willing to do anything to get access to high value dick or a lifestyle that the world now tells them they must have.

I always bring enough to get anything with anyone I want in the club, which to me is $600 realistic, but once I walk in and catch the vibe I will know if I will have that kind of night or more of a $200 night. Most often I've averaged around that $200 with a couple of instances where I burned $400.

A few months ago I met up with a woman through SA that lived quite a bit away from me. She had a great fit body. She seemed hesitant to come to my area and I figured Uber was same cost as just getting a room near her. I only agreed to PPM and negotiated to a reasonable rate. Her place was so close to the hotel yet she still hesitated to drive or walk over, she wanted me to come pick her up i my car and drive us back to the room. Then asking if I wanted to get drinks first, but I didn't know the area and she had no clue so I just took her back to the room. It was odd and annoying but I figured what the hell. Waited 20 minutes for her, and by the time we're in the room it had been almost 3 hours since I left my place. She had a great petite body, very fit, but was a little older than claimed and had the look of too much plastic surgery on her face, tits, etc. We had some drinks and, once she got comfortable she quickly got her clothes off and had her way with me for about 2 hours. Ultimately she was just hesitant to jump the gun with me before knowing me. She was insisting next time I come up I can meet at her place and stay over, same rate. I think it really depends and you have to gauge the girl to understand what's up or why she is suggesting certain things. I usually deal with my concern by using humor like, "I'm not going to wake up in a tub with 1 less kidney am i?" For this one I described, I've not met up with her again, she even lowered what she wanted and started talking about her fantasies she wanted to fulfill. It just seemed odd to me how immediately needy she seemed and the whole overdone plastic surgery was a huge turnoff to me. I think to most guys she would be amazingly hot but just everything with her other than the banging body and aggressive sex seemed off to me. I just kept imagining her going nuts on me in the future. She kept chasing me with texts and sexy pictures for a few weeks until it was clear I wasn't interested. I looked up her IG and saw earlier pictures of her before surgeries and she was incredible looking, decided she had very low self esteem to do that to her self.

Most of the PLs I've seen in any club often look like losers in life that I would not want to talk to. Maybe I look the same to them. As the saying goes, "I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member." Unless it's a strip club, there seems to be a solidarity of purpose. Let's be more refined, though. If it's a high mileage club I'm less apt to want to talk to anyone, even strippers, unless it's the strippers I want to play with. I don't even want to talk to the door guy, I just want to throw across my $10 or $20 and walk in and look around the environment like a terminator looking for my object of desire. If it's a low mileage club, I may be fine to talk as there's little pressure to do anything other than look around at the eye candy. There is no time pressure in those places to grab a dancer before it's too late.

The OP did not mention his price range, but generally yes the closest clubs would be 4Play and Bare Elegance (in that order) with not big mileage from the first (minimum of $500 spend I would guess - at least 30 min VIP + bare minimum, not including cover or drinks) and at BE more likely of similar for a total of just over $300. In both cases it would be extremely low mileage compared to other clubs of LA toward the south & east 30+ miles away. But the average quality of the girls goes down with that distance. There would still be a few to find, but then you're back to the cost of that mileage going up as hot blondes that are in shape in SC's in LA are going to be expensive. I think if the OP has a decent SC budget and wants to maximize his experience based on the type of girls he likes, his best bet is Bare Elegance. Any more details can be found in submitted reviews. OP, if you are considering COI options, it would take you a minimum of 1 hour to get to that location even in the evening. If you encounter traffic initially heading out of Santa Monica in the evening, estimate a 90 minute drive and a little over an hour on the way back.