Comments by theDirkDiggler (page 6)

You forgot her pussy and her crack...

I've only driven to and in Florida once, and i had switched with another driver several hours before we got to Miami, but i remember thinking the drivers in Florida (even the truckers) were some of the most unusual and unpredictable drivers ever. It was an extremely stressful and defensive 3 or 4 hours which i hope to never repeat. It was almost like night and day as soon as i crossed into the state line, not that Georgia drivers were great, courteous drivers or anything. Illinois isn't the bee knees either, but here i feel like i can just coast with one finger tip on the wheel as long as i maintain a decent following distance, and that most drivers (soberish) are at least somewhat predictable...

Doesn't this require 3 booster shots and even then it's only 70% effective (protects against 70% of malignant strains) and that's assuming that you haven't already been exposed to any of the strains?

That sounds like a strange club. Kind of divish with a number of bikers. Where a 9 is obviously the hottest thing, but definitely not the brightest thing in the club, and gets a lot of stage tips, but still has a hard time selling $20 full contact full nude dances with apparently a decent amount of privacy, spending an hour just talking without closing apparently. And they only keep half of that $20. And you have to prepay. Often whenever i prepay for a dance, i usually figure that i'm not tipping, but that's when the girl requests it. Rarely have i ever been required to prepay for a dance except at the freaking Admiral where they don't sell single dances and you have to buy at least sets of 3, but i'm digressing. That would also suck if you prepaid for multiple dances and they all sucked, figuratively that is, but i'm digressing again. I wonder what would have happened if you just walked away with a grin and some teaspoons lighter...

^ Definitely agree with all of those points, even if i do try to avoid the seedier places. Am always mindful of where my wad/wallet is at all times, and and now a bit more defensive of personal items, like phone, in the presence of dancers. Especially if they seem a bit hood or drug-addicted...

^ It might prevent getting ROBed but the overall experience seems worse...

Roughly 21 or 22. Might have forgotten one or two. All of them fairly local, with the furthest ones a few hours away. of them have closed and many others have gone downhill, so it's just two or three in the rotation now.

Maybe the girls that have been doing this a while have picked up on certain PL behaviors. That is if she sees a PL counting (or really just organizing) money, than he is probably considering getting a dance in the near future as opposed to the the PLs that don't do dances. I just think it's presumptive to think that it's going to be her, but she might as well try. I also think there are girls that really do this as it seems to be more than just a coincidence that they approach at this exact moment and it's not as if i'm constantly doing this either, literally two or three times at most during a several hour visit. It's almost as if taking cash out of your pockets brings the vultures out...

@IceyLoco All reductions are technically lifts (and many lifts are also involve reduction as well). They require the same surgical cuts (completely around the areola and vertical cuts on the underside); only the amount of fat and tissue removed is variable. Which is one of the reasons that the vast majority of women that get reductions seem to be pleased with them. If they had retained the same saggy shape of their previously large boobs, but just had all the fat sucked out of them, i don't think they would all be saying they had wished to have it done sooner...

On one girl?

I think it depends on what you consider upper class and if you're talking about individual income or household income. If you consider upper class to be the top 1% (i don't), than $78k won't even sniff that. If you consider upper class to be the top quintile, than yes, $78k will get you there as long as it's individual and not household income. Of course, if you're single, than you're probably paying over 25% of that to your favorite uncle(s) leaving less than $60k to work with, which comes out to less than $5k per month, which now decidedly doesn't sound very upper class. Certainly not bougie...

There is nothing worth visiting in Harvey, IMO. Once upon a time maybe, but not anymore. I'll agree with AJ that PoleKatz in Bridgeview will have by far the largest selection (50-80+ girls), especially on Tuesday, Friday and Saturday nights and late nights. So you will likely find some good looking girls. Quality of lap dances will be average, with moderate contact and decent grind. Scores is overpriced everything, with generally less mileage than even PoleKatz, despite more expensive dances. Also one of the more plastic clubs, where even girls with perfectly fine breasts are heavily pressured into getting implants. Gold Room (used to be Gold Club) is like a poor man's version of PoleKatz (same owner) or the B-Team version, but strangely more expensive except on Thursdays. Club 390 in Chicago Heights has a good day shift with discounted but shortened high mileage nude dances ($20). But that seems like a nonstarter, so Thursday-Saturday nights have the most girls (close to 20 to as many as 40) and the latest hours at 5 am on Thursday and 6 am on Friday and Saturday. Wednesdays also have the gimmicky discounted shortened dances. Atlantis in Ford Heights is best as a weekend club and late night at that. Thursdays were decent from my memory. Has a high cover $20 during the later weekend evenings/nights as well as valet fees. Their top end is a bit better than 390 IMO, but their overall selection is similar. Similar high mileage is available in their dances, but less consistent, although 390 is also rather inconsistent, particularly the night shift. Also harder to connect with a girl at Atlantis as there is no regular stage rotation on weekends and the majority of the girls are out of sight and out of mind, often the best looking girls. They usually do an hourly cattle call after midnight on weekends, three or four times, where a good number (but far from all of them) of the girls will walk out. This usually gives me the best idea of who is working that night. Earlier in the year, i wrote a series of articles giving a synopsis of a couple handful of clubs in the area. Not much has changed, except that The Admiral Theatre in Chicago took a turn for the worse and is now completely unrecommended for anything SC related.

Is the guy that wrote this discussion your "friend": https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php?id=65533 And are you a big baller?

When i'm talking about "regular" lap dance areas, i'm including communal lap dance areas where you can see numerous PLs and dancers and watch what they're doing as well as the semi-private booths/cubicles where you can't unless you walk by the opening and stare (which is generally considered a no-no, but doesn't mean that i haven't snuck some looks, lol) and everything in between (opaque or sheer curtained off benches, etc). Obviously, the mileage (especially UHM) would be higher in the second setting. Now, i and dancers i was with in particular, have noticed even to the point of then mentioning it to me that another dancer was making out with a PL. This would happen in the more open dance areas. I could also see it on the main floor/front room. That doesn't mean that kissing didn't happen in the more private areas, but it didn't seem as the dancers that did it thought it was like some extra (fourth base) that they could charge the PLs more for or something, despite the general (or perceived) rarity of it.

It's pretty common that a dancer will do the least amount necessary. Even high mileage girls. If a Big Balla (Brand!) is wasting money on low mileage, the girl's going to milk it for as long as she can. She then still has the option of raising mileage to keep his interest, but in this case, it seems that she has no intention, especially if she gives the high mileage to newbies and cheap PLs. Also PLs in generally seem to be expecting more for less in today's economy, so girls often have to put their best foot forward in selling/giving dances, which may explain the higher mileage for newbies. Like CMI said, girls aren't vending machines or robots; they're selective about whom they do things with and what they do. Often this comes down to money, but it can also come down to things like hygiene, physical attractiveness, attitude/respect, creepiness, too much pawing/heavy handedness during dances, etc. Don't act like a cheap poor incel that's never done it before and trying to over maximize as much mileage and contact as possible in one song. Just observe a dancer's body language during a dance and you'll know all you need to know about how she's feeling, whether or not you want to know, and not all money is good money to a stripper.

According to the OP, i guess i've been getting home runs at the chump stations in the Chicago area. Imagine that... Also what base would DATY be on if you do that in a "regular" dance? Also nipple sucking is probably higher than LFK (or LK, as there's nothing light about FK); if not, bean flicking definitely is... Otherwise, typical mileage (or common mileage really, as the typical mileage often isn't technically allowed at a lot of clubs, but PLs and dancers still get away with it) at most local clubs would be first base (ass and boob grabbing and grinding). Strangely, i saw more kissing at the lower mileage and topless places than at the UHM nude places, but i think it depends more on the PL than the dancer...

A little too late to this discussion, but i find that the level of club (mid-tier, upscale or dive) tends to have little effect on value besides the nickel and diming found at upscale clubs (often mandatory valet, bathroom troll, usually higher cover although some clubs waive this with phone/yelp apps). The drinks are a bit or quite a bit more expensive, but i hardly drink at all at clubs, and non-alcoholic drinks at that. But all the clubs in my general area and even outside of it that i've gone to have had relatively similar dance prices ($20-$30) and VIP prices ($300-$500 per half-hour/hour) regardless of level, except that most dives don't have VIPs. But i haven't been able to find sub $20 dances (and even at $20, almost always topless only) anywhere except on promotional dance days (Mondays at Industrial Strip in Hammond, IN, Mondays at Daisy Dooks in Davenport, IA, Tuesdays at PoleKatz in Bridgeview, IL, Wednesdays and Thursdays at Southern Comfort in Davenport, IA, Thursdays at Gold Room in Stone Park, IL, Wednesdays at 390 at Chicago Heights, IL), promotional dance specials (2-for-1s), early bird or happy hour periods (390 and PoleKatz, although dances are considerably truncated at 390 as well as on their Wednesday promotion so it's just a gimmick rather than any real savings) or stacked dances (2 for $25 or 5 for $50-$60 at Heavenly Bodies in Elk Grove, but they're barely over two minutes long and only topless and one-way contact). Even the only two straight up dives i can think of (Jimmy's in Chicago Heights and Lampliter in Ottawa, IL) have $20 topless dances with no extras available. Lampliter doesn't even have decent mileage as you can basically only grope some ass. Jimmy's dances are barely 3 minutes. Then there's all those lingerie bars and lounges (i guess these count as dives, but i don't consider them SCs) where the "dancers" don't take anything off and you basically pay $10 a song for essentially front room groping. Another thing to consider is that without VIPs, or even a dedicated chump station (as many of the dives have dances just right out in the open) there's usually less "privacy" for any "real" fun. I'm not even talking necessarily extras, but any high mileage. Dancers are usually a lot more shy with other dancers and PLs watching, let along with security/management/bouncers or other staff. I guess i forgot a couple mid-tier central Illinois clubs in Kappa Gentleman's Club in Kappa, IL and Pulse in Peoria IL, where the VIPs were unusually "cheap" at $150-$300 per half-hour/hour, but the regular dances were still $30. So you either had to gamble on one girl or "test" her out at those high prices. But i haven't been to those clubs in years, and my understanding is that they've gone noticeably downhill... I think i've seen similar discussions before, and my take was that the only reason i really spent little money at dives was because i found nothing to spend money on and i wasn't about to spend money just for the sake of spending money. If i find a hottie at a dive, and that seems to be a big if these days, she almost never sticks around long enough to even make her a favorite. Even the mid-tier clubs seem to have very high turnover. Not that the upscale clubs don't have high turnover, but they seem to keep their girls a bit longer, and the hotter ones, unless the management is retarded. So in my anecdotal situation, to have the most fun with the hottest girls available usually requires an upscale club (like Atlantis in Ford Height, IL) or a mid-tier club with upscale options (Club 390). The dance prices are also the same as most of the other clubs, although there is no "cheaper" option at Atlantis where all dances $30, but on weekends, they're slightly longer than average. These clubs are still pricey as hell, but there seems to be no getting around that. I mean i wish they had a Tuesday special like PoleKatz, but alas... The only other reason i can think of is if a club had great stage shows and "great" nowadays seems to be very few and far between these days. The former Skybox in Harvey, IL (a dive to mid-level club) used to have the best stage shows probably in the state, and the Admiral in Chicago (a wannabe upscale club) no longer has stage nudity, not that their stage shows were that good to begin with. Now there's just the mid-tier Silver Slipper in Ottawa, IL, the mid-tier High Heel Saloon in Somonauk, IL and the Davenport clubs (the divey Southern Comfort and the mid-level Daisy Dooks). Kappa Gentleman's Club, back when it was called Kappa Kabanna used to have hot lesbian shows. But after a raid some 10+ years ago, there was no more of that. Never been to the make-it-rain black clubs and probably never will. But otherwise, there is absolutely no value for me to go to a dive, unless the comfort aspect of the atmosphere is that important, like a Cheer's with strippers vibe, or i only have a budget of 10-20 dollars and have no plans for getting dances to begin with or i enjoy the unusual experience of walking into a club and staying there for an hour and walking out without spending a single dollar (that has happened). So my favorite isn't based necessarily on the type of club, but on the "quality" of girls available and the fun available with them as the prices are relatively the same despite a very different range of fun, anywhere in my neck of the woods.

I wonder how she looked without all that crap she had done to her body. Breast implants, ear spacers, tattoos (knuckle tats are ghetto), body piercings and dermals (on the freaking face). Dermals are embedded below the skin, so they are essentially irremovable without basically some type of minor surgery, which still results in scarring. I bet she looked much better before, and she still remained cute.

I'm not sure i agree that that "thinness" has anything to do with being under 20, although the metabolism is definitely higher with the teenagers. I've seen under 20s girls that had sagging, stretch marks and cellulite, and mid 20s girls that had taught skin and perky everything. A lot of it is genetics and some is lifestyle habits (smoking, drugs, tanning, alcohol, diet and exercise) as well and routine maintenance (lotions, hydration). I've also noticed that a lot of black dancers that are in their teens could pass for their mid or even late 20s. I'm also not sure that it's a Chicago specific thing besides the clubs being a bit expensive to work and the customers not being as free-spending (at Chicago pricing), but this might be an almost universal trait outside of the most popular tourist areas. Atlantis and Club 390 have plenty of under 21 girls, at least for the short time that they work there. There's a paper with a list of names on the wall at both ends of the bar at Atlantis that shows the girls that are on the drink restricted list (probably for the bartender, but also the servers to read as well) with their birth month and year next to their names. There was something like 20+ names on the list with some handwritten additions lately (also a few girls are not allowed to drink because of issues with alcohol). I don't know how many of them still work there, but i would say at least half. 390 has started having the under 21 girls wear a wristband. I don't really see any during the day shift, but on nights and especially weekend nights, they are out there. Unfortunately, 390 has some quick turnover, even quicker than average and even more so with the younger girls that might have issue with fees, management and the heavy mileage expected from PLs. Your best bet is probably PoleKatz, just from the sheer volume of girls that work there. Over there, they also wear a wristband, the cheap fat plastic tape style used in hospitals and some night clubs. But just like with Atlantis and 390, not every girl that wears them is necessarily underage, just restricted. Mileage is less there and the fees aren't as strict or as high (at least for paying out on dances/rooms) so the girls might stick it out there longer. Also there's the Admiral, but i think you stated you have no interest in that place. If you're willing to drive all the way to Davenport, Iowa (quad cities), there's a club called Daisy Dooks that used to have mostly college aged girls (haven't been there in years though); the other club nearby (Southern Comfort) was more older women though. Also if you go north near Madison, WI, there should be some young girls. Probably not that many near the closer Milwaukee and more black if that's your thing. Those clubs in WI and even IA tend to have even less mileage than the clubs you frequent, even less than PoleKatz. There's also quite a few young prospective strippers in NW Indiana, but they tend to commute to Illinois (390, Atlantis, PoleKatz) rather than work at the dives near them. You might find some at the combo club, Dreamgirls/Deja Vu in Lake Station where one side/floor is the no alcohol Dreamgirls and the other level is Deja Vu, but the customers and girls move back and forth between both clubs. Never been there, but haven't really heard anything good or much at all about that place. For me, i can take or leave the 18-19 demo. I know the JohnSmith crowd loves to work on them, but the only thing i like about them, besides their slightly more youthful looks, is that they're less "jaded" than the veteran strippers. Which is why i actually prefer baby strippers that start in their 20s, so you get the better of all worlds. They're still young and "fresh", but not as inept in all ways as girls right out of high school. Those few years of life experience really do make a difference...

Is the SC environment really that toxic? I think that depends highly on the strip club and to a degree the stripper. Also no one seems to be taking into consideration fosta/sesta. That seems to be one reason that escorts will go back to SCs, assuming that they started out as strippers. I always thought that the SC was a convenient place to cultivate johns/SDs, whether ITC or OTC as well as making the smaller sales via regular or irregular lap dances. Also the safety aspect (from getting assaulted or ripped off) seems much higher in a SC, particularly higher end SCs, than in a hotel room or some other outcall/incall. But all this is just personal conjecture. Also even though sex workers (mostly strippers and escorts, but also to a degree camgirls/porn actresses and "masseuses") make a lot more than average per hour/shift/day than the average worker, especially with their skills and qualifications, sex work is always inconsistent and being paid in quick substantial cash just lends to a lack of discipline in saving/investing. Also the shorter amount of hours worked tends to result in a lack of work ethic, so these girls, unless they have a very disciplined and business oriented mind, almost never make the well above six figures per year that they are capable of. Never mind that the average sex worker probably lasts a lot less than a year on average...

I think it's more that the young girls that start in this industry just don't stick around very long. It seems that making it as a stripper is much harder now, and especially with this new generation of girls with no real life social skills. And lot of the Chicago area clubs are very expensive to work at ($50-$100+ rent). Some clubs might comp a new girl's rent for the first shift or even the first few shifts, but if she hasn't gotten the hang of it by then, a couple shifts in the negative or even under say $100-$200 will probably turn her off for good...

Now that i think about it, there was one example of upcharging that i can remember. It was at a club that had a promotional day of the week with a different rate for dances. Where $20/$30 dances were $10/$20 all day at that club and still are. And the dancer "pretended" that she didn't know that the rate was the promotional/discounted rate and asked for full price and tried to pocket the difference. When i reminded her what day of the week it was, she was like "Oh, that's right..." Yeah, right. Now if some fool didn't know about the promotion (and those days are much busier than other weekdays in terms of PLs and dancers, specifically because of the promotion), despite the DJ constantly talking about it every hour, i might see it working. The other example i can think of is where during an obvious 2 for 1 promotion, after the girls are working the floor grabbing PLs for dances, a dancer might approach me just slightly after the other dancers, but the promotional dances still haven't started yet, and act like the promotion isn't in effect. A less savvy PL might not ask her before he goes, if this was a 2 for 1, and get suckered into going and get surprised when she asks after the first dance, if he wants another. I do consider both of these practices shady if not outright ROBish. And i don't think any PL, TUSCLer or not would receive upcharging well if he knew that he was being upcharged. And that might be the difference. A TUSCLer or veteran would already know or quickly understand how much dances and what was expected for them typically cost. A newbie or someone that might be embarrassed or intimidated to question a dancer's prices might go along with the upcharge even if he thought it was off, but that club/dancer has probably lost that PL forever.

@CMI To me, upcharging is more blatant than asking for a tip, because it asks/demands for a specific amount, and also multiplied by each dance. Again, i've never dealt with this, and i would just laugh, as it would never work around here outside of literally stupid PLs that got tricked by ROBs. Yes, it would be considered straight up ROB behavior here as dance prices are set and generally posted in the club...

@flag Generally a $20 dance in these parts will be topless only. Nude dances are almost always $30. There's also a lot more mileage that seems possible in a nude dance...

He didn't seem to post all that much, but i wonder if anyone remembered Dominic77. Seemed a similar demo as me, so had at least that going. TaxiDriver just up and left too after being quite active. ldk82 seems less active than usual. Same with MrDeuce. I never did find out whatever happened to that baby PL, DC something. I just noticed that one day he was completely gone well after he actually was, like he never existed. I remember him saying something like the site would definitely notice if he wasn't there. Apparently not... Oh and for strippers, definitely miss me some poledancer83...