Comments by samiel (page 6)

I'm definitely not a whale, but I will say TUSCL has made me aware of much more and how to spend wisely. I'm definitely willing to drop $200+ on the right person. My question is, if a dancer is not open to OTC, would she be welcome here?

@SirLapdancealot I think I need a cigarette now, lol.

^In that case, you know where she works and could see her again probably. Would you confront her?

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I never assume exclusivity. That said, I gravitate towards those that don't do anything ITC. My current OTC dancer is high volume and I'm going to start looking for someone who isn't as easy. My last OTC dancer never did anything ITC, but would maybe see guys OTC 2-3 month. My ATF claimed I was the only person she'd done anything sexual with OTC and I believed her because she felt guilty since she had a BF and pretty much stopped dancing. In general, I'm under no illusion that I'm anything special to any dancer.

Talking with some girls from Buck's Cabaret in Fort Worth, TX... easily 1-2+ hours one way. I've met one that commutes from Oklahoma.

I think it's more common in day shift but not as common in night shift. Dancers are probably always looking for regulars. I agree, not a unicorn probably, but not common is my guess, depending on area.

I'd go with the 6 girl and 10 performance if I had to choose. I've never had either though, so honestly I'd give both a try. I asked this same question to some girls I know (not dancers) and they told me they would take the 10 in looks and 6 in performance. I guess they are used to mediocre sex and just want the hot guy!

OTC has my vote. More privacy and I'm not after the thrill of people watching me, lol. Slightly off topic, I met a dancer who's OTC prices ($250/hr) were lower than her ITC prices ($400/hr). It's almost always the opposite (or the same price). Has anyone else encountered this? I'm not a fan of hourly prices, but it seems to be the norm in my area from my experience. However, if I could get everything done in an hour I guess it wouldn't matter.

@BigJuan Sugaring costs could definitely be lower than $1000/month depending on your expectations. Most start out as a PPM (pay per meet), so it depends how often you want to see them. So if you want to meet twice a month at $300 PPM, that's $600 a month. I've never tried SA myself, but girls I know that have done it along with the master pricing thread on Reddit shows me that $300 PPM is not at all uncommon and that girls will go cheaper than that.

I've met two different civvies now at a pool hall I frequent. Somehow the conversation of sugaring came up and both girls mentioned they had tried it and one of them told me she actually had a SD for awhile. Both of these girls are young (21 and 19) and both are gorgeous. The one that had a SD is quite beautiful. My point is that sugaring seems like something a lot of younger girls have tried these days. I know a few dancers who have tried it too, telling me they did anywhere from $300-500 PPM. These dancers were pretty nice looking too IMHO. So I think there's definitely potential for finding some amazing girls out there. Most would probably want more than a pump and dump, so if you want a different girl every night I'd say it's not good for that. However, if you're the type to have a CF or ATF dancer for months or years, SA has the potential to find you someone with whom you could have a long term sexual relationship. I bet there are a lot of girls who just want an extra $500-800 a month and are willing to have sex a couple of times a month for it without too much of the relationship stuff. So, they are definitely out there, but I'm betting it takes some time to find them. I've said it before, I like SCs because I like seeing the variety and the option to meet and greet at the SC before money changes hands. I think it's likely more expensive than sugaring and I think sugaring could potentially find someone super hot who wouldn't expect as much money wise. Maybe you can find a rare dancer who will do OTC cheap and you really like, but IME I haven't found one. SA has scammers on both sides from what I've read. I personally haven't tried it, so I'm not qualified to reply to your post, but I've done a lot of research and talked to many people who have. I just don't want to spend the time and money at this point to try it since the SCs I visit have quite a few options. For me personally though, I wish I would take the time to use it and pay the cost because I think it potential could net me a nice girl at a reasonable price for a long term relationship.

I just remembered a couple of dinners with another girl, so probably 3 girls and about 8 OTCs. Two were sexual in nature, one was not.

Sugaring seems ideal, but I think it would take a lot of time to find the right person. Also, it's probably more for those who want a longer term intimate relationship with one person. Escorts sound good for a quick time if you're hard up. Strippers generally seem to fall somewhere in between. I like the variety at your fingertips and the try-before-you-buy option.

For me, probably $500 max. Typically I spend $50-$200 each time I go. If i really like a girl and can't get her to do anything OTC, I'll spend up to $200 on her ITC. If she wants to meet OTC I'll definitely spend more than $200.

Almost every dancer I've ever met has complained about customers. It's not uncommon. Some guys offer $20 for a BJ. In this scenario, non-extras girls complain about the customer wanting something they won't do. Extras girls will complain that the money amount is too low. It's all about finding something both parties are comfortable with. Dancers generally want the most money they can get for their services and PLs generally want the most services they can get for their money. There's nothing wrong with trying to find some common ground, but many times neither party can be appeased and sometimes both have to move on. As a PL, I'm sure my offers have insulted some and made others ecstatic. I don't judge too much.

@nicespice I doubt it!

Ivy. Funny that Jenna is more my classic type though. Ivy seems like she's be more fun in bed.

I went up and said hello. I saw two people I knew. I don't think they had spotted me, but if they had, I didn't want to make like I was hiding. I saw them talking amongst themselves, but what could I do but face it head on? I left it up to the bro code. If I know they haven't seen me, I might make a timely exit.

If you go by the RIL definition in the glossary (spends money hoping for a date that will never happen), then I would say I don't expect an OTC date from any dancer. I don't wear my wedding ring in the club, but I will always tell a dancer I'm married if she asks. If there's an OTC chance I will also tell her. I'm not sure too many PLs really get strung along for too long looking for a date. Maybe I'm wrong and this actually happens often IRL. I would think most guys would know fairly quickly if an OTC is going to happen or not.

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I too like cleanliness! I also want a face I can look at. A great body but a bad face just doesn't do it for me. So many times I've approached a girl, only to find that the makeup and distance and lighting had fooled me!

In general, for dances, I do go for the blonde Barbie look. So far though, these girls are in high demand and sometimes a bit full of themselves since they are so popular. Personality trumps all though. Lately I've been talking to variety of girls I still find attractive, but not necessarily the blonde bimbo type. I've had much better luck finding someone who can hold a conversation with.

For me, the names have not mattered. I think for OTC though, it's been easier if they have a non-stage sounding name like Jenn or Brie vs Emerald or Toy.

In Texas, a person commits this offense if the person knowingly engages in sexual intercourse, deviant sexual intercourse or sexual contact in public, according to the Texas Penal Code. The crime is a Class A misdemeanor.

A dancer let me know they are open today. It'll be the talk for awhile. I'm sure the rest of the dancers will be more careful who they talk to and what they talk about even more so now.