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3 years ago
No matter what else I miss -- and I definitely miss the jean styles of the late 90s, which I liked much more than skinny jeans or today's mom jeans style -- we have yoga pants and I wouldn't trade that for anything. In fact, yoga pants just seem to keep getting sexier, the kind with the honeycomb pattern on it is outrageously sexy.
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3 years ago
It can be interesting to peek in on the weird world and odd ethics they've constructed, but I can't say I understand it. They, and their female counterparts (the Ho Tactics and female dating strategy girls) are pretty far outside my universe, though I do like to know enough to ID it when I see it.
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3 years ago
There are cops who go to strip clubs. IME, those guys party extremely hard and are as into strippers and whores as much as anyone
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3 years ago
Like I said, my ideal club has definitely changed. In the organization SJG and I are building, paunchy hairy men with saggy balls have their choice of fat cellulite-ridden ghetto girls with missing teeth. Some men prefer the company of other men; they can meet in what we're calling Shailynn's Shack, and oh what a shack!
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3 years ago
Mitchell Brothers 1996-2000 was the best club as I've ever been in. If we're trying to be *realistic*, many of the things I didn't like about the club -- astronomically high prices, lack of alcohol -- if we changed those things then the best things about the club would be gone too. The things I liked about the club:
- Among the most beautiful lineups -- nightshift AND dayshift -- I've ever seen. Think Spearmint Rhino or Sapphire Vegas type lineups
- Most of the girls do extras, from HJ to FS, a few girls did anal, a bunch did kink & fetishes
- A variety of extras opportunities -- stand-up booths (only gotten HJs there), couch rooms, bed rooms, all curtained off & diff prices
- The girls did put in some artistry into the stage and the various shows
- Staff was mostly invisible
In short, extras with girls who are as beautiful as in any high end non-extras alcohol club
Downsides: high prices (many of you are paying less for FS today, than it cost for a BJ there in 1999), no alcohol
The experience was way different than what I'm after these days, but boy I wish I could go back now and then. I have in mind what my realistically best alcohol club would be like, but just not sure that once you introduce alcohol, you can get away with as much. Not in CA at least, maybe you other guys are spoiled
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3 years ago
Sign me up for "I love everything about it". I love being in the club. I love the atmosphere, great music (kill me, I like the music), half naked chicks bouncing around, alcohol, food. I love finding a girl who has CF potential, drinking and carrying on with her at the table, and if she becomes my CF, becoming a regular and reaping the YMMV rewards. I love pursuing it to OTC. Half or more of my SC trips are with one or more buddies, so it's somewhat social time as well.
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3 years ago
Strongly agree Dolfan, great idea
Note that some clubs in this area ID scan at night but not for dayshift, so it'd be best to have 3 options "No ID scanning" "Yes nightshift only" "Yes". I doubt there are any clubs that only scan IDs during the day and not night, so no option needed. But I think it's important information that you can go to a particular club during dayshift and not get scanned
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3 years ago
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ilbbaicnlKeep it in my pants when I do OTC. If I were a stripper it would stand for I like big bucks and I can not lie.
"if the authorities come knocking on the door at P411, they’re going to give up their membership list."
This only matters if ilb's safety/security concerns are around "the authorities". If that isn't a real threat, and his main concern is prostitutes knowing his real name (from which it's trivial to find out his address and where he works), then the fact that p411 has to respond to subpoenas isn't really an issue. I'd be more worried about an ashleymadison style hack of p411s database, I suppose.
No idea whether escorts still take p411, I see it badmouthed sometimes
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3 years ago
"Do you know how I know that you’re gay?"
When you suck his dick, he enjoys it?
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3 years ago
"I have participated in this type of otc MANY times"
I continue to suspect that this happens more than we think
"but agree with others that otc means *something else,*"
Right. If it turns out everything I've said about OTC over all these years, was me paying strippers $200 to have dinner, the same guys who say it just means meeting outside the club would be howling. It has a clear connotation
"it’s no big deal, just semantics."
Oh you dear, sweet, naive girl. This is the internet -- this argument is, in fact, the MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE UNIVERSE! :) :)
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3 years ago
That's the spirit, ElDuderino. Very semi of you
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3 years ago
Most of you on this thread are extremely frightened turtle
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3 years ago
While I like the attitude indicator, those moody bitches *need* a mood indicator. We should do something more tuscl-appropriate. Like maybe 4 options: fully erect, semi, flaccid, frightened turtle
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3 years ago
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ilbbaicnlKeep it in my pants when I do OTC. If I were a stripper it would stand for I like big bucks and I can not lie.
We spent at least 4 years trying to understanding making it rain and twerking, so this is not likely the best place to find people into urban clubs :) Although Papi likes them, no?
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3 years ago
"Nicespice I think later said she cut and pasted an older post. That whole thread made me wonder if nicespice is a sock puppet. "
Or maybe she said that to throw us off the scent. Strange times, my friend
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3 years ago
"When I've been looking to hide the salami, escorts have always been the better available option than OTC (or ITC) sex with a stripper. With the strippers I've met who are as/more attractive as the (non-dud) escorts I've met, I was 90% sure they would not fuck just for money, and would likely have been less comfortable with me had I asked for it."
ilb, nicespice wrote a detailed and convincing treatise as to why most of us find it's exactly the opposite -- OTC is 1000x better, strippers don't look down on you for asking, and yes the hottest ones will do OTC. The one real risk is whether or not she'll show up.
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3 years ago
" I think TUSCL underestimates the amount of OTC meetups that aren't paid that occur as well"
Yes, I have done tons of unpaid meetings -- lunches ,dinner, drinks -- with various ATFs through the years. I don't call that OTC though, and no one here would either. This is the case where the glossary is out of touch with how the community actually uses the term. The way the community uses the term is always right (by definition); the glossary's job is to reflect that accurately, otherwise it's wrong. IMO.
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3 years ago
"The percentage of men that pay a stripper for non-sexual OTC companionship is probably about the same percentage of men that hire an escort for non-sexual companionship."
I'm not so sure that applies. I don't think a lot of guys are in love with their escort, the way sooooo many customers are RILs. I imagine there's a lot more strippers getting taken out to dinner-for-payment, than their are escorts getting paid to talk
Course, it's all just speculation, especially since literally none of us here understand the mindset of a guy who would do these things, we just project, because it's so against what we're looking for. It's like how we're all completely perplexed by Onlyfans
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3 years ago
I actually think non-sex OTC is more common that we'd think. The reason none of us here believe it's true is because none of us would remotely even consider it. But we're a forum of hardcore PLs who have enough experience to understand our basic needs and not settle. Is it possible that there are lots of lots of RILs taking their ATFs to dinner for $200 out there? That counts as meeting outside the club. It's not a stretch for me to believe it happens, although it's hard to imagine it happens often.
That said, on PL forums, the specific acronym OTC always implies sex -- or at least, the PL intends to have sex, but there's a chance he'll get scammed. None of us use the term OTC to mean "I took my ATF to lunch". Similarly, on tuscl "extras" means some direct stimulation of our genitals by her hand, mouth, pussy, or butthole, whereas on SW I've seen them insist that anything you do in the dance that's extra (e.g., let him suck on a nipple) counts as "extras"
In any case, if non-sex OTC happens somewhere, it doesn't really impact us, it's like some parallel universe we'll never enter. PLs are only looking for sexual OTCs, and it's easy to find, so that's basically our whole world. Who cares what some RILs somewhere are doing? Doesn't really have anything to do with me
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3 years ago
"You know she is married or has a live in boy friend but you are convinced that she is not seeing any other guys."
I can't get by that, shadow. While I do firmly believe that there are girls who are basically dancing escorts who will OTC with any customer, and girls who are more choosey and just stick to their regulars, I'd never assume she wasn't OTCing with any other customers. And if she'll go bareback with me, she'll go bareback with others. I think the risk analysis has to factor in that she's seeing a few of her customers, and those customers might be seeing other strippers or escorts, etc.
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3 years ago
As I mentioned to your wife on reddit, super fun idea, go for it. Find the right stripper and she'll totally be into controlling it. I used to bring vibrators into the club to use on the strippers, they loved those too !
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3 years ago
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shailynnThey never tell you what you need to know.
SJG: I have crossed several of the "posters" here, off the list of possible members for the organization we are building. There are consequences for this sort of insolence.
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3 years ago
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shailynnThey never tell you what you need to know.
Actually, I see your point -- it's tuscl, make it a little less homo and a little more tranny. Criticism accepted.
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3 years ago
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shailynnThey never tell you what you need to know.
Well yeah, it's tuscl
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3 years ago
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shailynnThey never tell you what you need to know.
scrotum, penis, and butthole, to my taint