Comments by BobbyI (page 9)

That MisterGay fellow loses every time.

With all the powers Bush/Cheney grabbed for the government in the last 8 years re: domestic surveillance don't be surprised if it isn't already happening hasn't already happened. Also note that LE will often lay low for years without making a peep when doing investigations before the finally close the jaws on the prey. If you want to ease your "paranoia" or "caution" or whatever you want to call it you may want to look in web proxies and anonymizing your e-mail address.

I was thinking in terms of frequence of visits. It is a bit of a fuzzy set, of course. I'm not sure where girls cut it off in their minds. But let's say a regular is someone who visits the clubs more than a couple of times a month, on average. But while we are on the subject, do you think their is an inverse correlation between social skills with women and frequence of visits?

Let's take an example: Is it ok for dancers to blatantly steal (pick pocket) from customers? Believe it or not, some dancers think it is ok. Arguments: a) customers should expect that sort of thing in a strip club and protect against it. If they don't they are so stupid they don't deserve their money. b) customers are just losers anyway, who are going to waste it all on whores instead of their families. the pick pocket, at least, well use it to feed her screaming babies, and deadbeat boyfriend.

Ok, I have a question. It's about regulars not dancers. How would you say most regulars are when it comes to social skills/understanding of women? How often do regulars score well in this department?

missfrankie: Many people don't think there is anything immoral about prostitution. I agree that cheating is immoral. Dishonesty, by contrast, is almost universally agreed to be immoral, in general. That's the difference.

Here's some of the problems, MissFrankie: In general we find that if we ask strippers about strippers they don't tend to give the most objective, dispassionate answers. They try and put an overly positive spin on the culture so as to not make themselves look bad. They themselves may not even be consciously aware of their own motives and agenda as this happens. They represent a sample size of one. What they say, may, in fact be true about themselves but not relate to the vast majority of strippers out there. The spokespersons who often show up on these boards (customer oriented sites: contrast with SW) and stick do seem to tend to be more articulate in general, and have a higher conscience than we see in the clubs. Again a sample size of one, and from a biased (self-selection) choice. Strippers do not interact with strippers as customers often and even whent hey do, probably have vastly different objectives so may not be fully aware of how strippers treat their customers as opposed to each other. Also they are female, so are bound to be treated differently than males. That being said, you may have interesting insights, and be objective after all. Let's see how you do...

Strippers will lie about anything without any qualms. Their culture drills into them that lying to customers is ok. (However, try turning the tables on them: lie to them about something, and see them get all indignant. Then you'll see how hypocritical about the whole matter they are.) Remember, overall, strippers are barely a step up the social ladder above women in prisoner. (And many have literally spent time there.)

"i have recently learned that strippers play a lot of mind games..." Fox News Alert! (Seriously, I assume you are kidding. Because everyone who spent more than an hour or two in club should already know that.)

^^^ Should read "OTC things, does not require all this taking of time".

Dudester's advice is good in general, however, I disagree with him on 5). I think there is nothing wrong with asking the first time you meet you her, if you are getting the right vibe. (However, even if she agrees, I think it's best to wait till the 2nd or 3rd time to actually follow through). Best she's know right away where you expect it to head, I say. And the OTC thing does not all this time. That is just people projecting their idiosyncratic experiences with strippers and normal women (perhaps from previous decades when it was valid?) onto reality. I agree with Dudester who says move quickly. And anyone who thinks that any stripper who fucks them OTC **> for money <** is anything other than a total whore is seriously deluded.

shadow: I completely agree with you on that one. If I were your age I won't worry about it either. Heck, I didn't worry about much back when I was into that sort of thing. I think there is alot of hysteria and lack of education regarding the subject. I just found the stripper's statement and her willingness to partake kind of odd.

I disagree with the whole trust/it takes time take/let them make the move thing as primary requirement thing. IME, OTC becomes a possibility in the first three meetings, or not at all if YOU push for it. I am sure trust factors into it (e.g. if you accidentally let out that you are an axe murderer, I am sure you'll blow your chances with any of them), but I don't think it's the key factor. I conjecture that most regulars have "nice guy" personalities, and lack of trust isn't going to be the blocker despite what the girls might say. In fact, I think the whole "nice guy" thing is more a liability than benefit here. The dancer would rather tease you and lead you on, and milk you for more money over the long term if that is a possibility. And, unfortunately, I think that will be more likely to occur with the nicer/more obviously trustable customers. I say pursue the matter aggressively, and don't fall into the "S" for sucker game. Another important factor seems to how much apparent lack of disrespect you approach them with. I don't think any whore is going to suck your dick, even if she would otherwise, if you approach it with "Yo, whore! Why don't you come to my hotel room after work and suck my dick for half an hour for $150. Then I'm gonna need you to get the fuck out and never talk to me again!" It's ok to think of them as whores, because they really are, but you can NEVER let on that you do. Also, weird as it may seem, price for the first meeting seems to be a factor. I found that it was a bit higher than later meetings. Some girls would let out that they thought the amount of money offered was an indicator of how much the guy thought they were worth. Don't try and think about that one too hard. Probably only makes sense to girls who do that kind of work... In any case, after the first meeting you'll probably find they will not leave you alone, and will offer you outrageously good prices for future meetings.

jablake: Actually, I'm going to have to correct myself on that one. I was thinking of HIV when I wrote it, and shouldn't have said "most". With HIV the viral loads shoots up very rapidly before the body mounts its immunological response. At that point the infected person is highly infectious to others, and, indeed, it's estimated that 50% of all HIV cases are transmitted during this time (less than one month after acquisition). The immunological response kills most of the virus, and, in most people causes "flu like" symptoms. But it won't get all of the virus, since the virus is crafty and is good at hiding. However the response does make the patient less infectious, at least for another 9 years or so. But you are right, the statement with "most" is probably wrong. HSV is a good counter-example: it's most infectious in the presence of outbreaks, and has low transmissiblity otherwise.

JMel: Yes, I've noticed guys will rate a stripper's looks much higher if they have fucked her than if they haven't. In reality, however, I think you'll find that the better looking they are, the easier to score OTC with them (and the more realistic the prices). I'm not sure exactly why this is, but it could be because they worked hard to get that good looking for a reason. Or it could be self esteem thing. In any case, then end result is certainly more important than the psychology behind it anyway.

JMel: I think the main is know that they would rather not do it and just string you along for more money ITC. If they think you'll settle for that (and their radar will be very keen on this) that's all you'll get. OTOH, most have whoreish in them, so if they think you won't settle for less than OTC, and will cast a net wide enough to find it, then they'll do it rather than let the money go elsewhere. But you really do have to be serious about it. They are good at spotting weakness.

"I've spent the whole of a minute trying to figure out what "FUCL" is." Well, parody, that's because you're a dumb sort of fellow. Everyone else would recognize, within a second or two, and especially within that context that it was a typo for "FUCK". Duh!

Also note that doing it with older people is more risky than with younger ones: more time to have acquired HSV (unlikely to have been tesetd for) and HPV (not tested for in men, excluding rare research settings). In fact if you look at the stats the prevelance of these two (HSV and HPV) increases with age. Just more evidence of the foolishness of her statement.

"I trust you. I don't want to take any thing back to my boy friend" Trust is a bit of a factor, but it goes beyond that. Most people with STDs do not know they have them, as they are asymptomatic. In fact most STDs are asymptomatic precisely when they are most transmissible. Also some STDs like Herpes are not tested for by default, so someone can test "clean" but still have HSV. Also note that there is no FDA approved test for HPV in men. So the trust statement is kinda dumb, but hey, what do you expect from a stripper? Anyone who is doing unprotected sex commercially (customer or whore) is gambling irregardless of the imagined level of trust.

^^^ should read "no FDA approved tests for HPV in males".

Not sure if I get exactly what you mean by "gestation" but... All STDs that can be tested for should be detectable by 16 weeks (herpes have the greatest waiting period). There are no FDA approved tests for HPV, but if he got it, it's very likely that his body would have cleared it in less than 8 months. If not he has it for life (or until there is a cure), and will have to wait for HPV tests in males to come online.

Oh, I forgot. It's been a while. "arealdancer" is parodyman--> dressed in drag and exploring the (numerous no doubt) "feminine parts" of his psyche.

Bad news, arealdancer. I have dated strippers. (Well, actually ex strippers after they stopped working.)

MisterGay + parody = Riders on the Short Bus

Oh, and forgot the part "maybe a little bit if she needs to meet her quota". If you give her "a little bit to meet her quota" then you have a big "S" written on your forehead.