Comments by BobbyI (page 7)

MisterGay: "Obama is NOT a socialist, Marxist, or communist...the red herrings don't work anymore BTW. " "red herring?" Where did MisterGay take his critical thinking or logic course? The correct term would be "straw man". And guess what... MISTERGAY LOSES AGAIN!

MisterGay: "LOL...I don't want your money moron." Come on MisterGay. That is so, well, gay! Put your money where your mouth is (oh, hold on, your mouth is probably close to... well since you are gay... n/m). I mean take the bet. Or are you too chicken? Are we forced to conclude that.... MISTERGAY LOSES AGAIN!

MisterGay: "I never said that. " MisterGay lies again. Here is a direct quote: MisterGay: "you wouldn't be spending ANY money on strippers if it didn't help you out when you were feeling 'blue'" Your statement doesn't allow for any other possibilites for a guy spending money on strippers other than helping them out with the "blues". I suppose that's the reason you do it. Hence, you project your motivations onto everyone else. I, OTOH, think that many reasons are possible. MisterGay: "You should really go into the projectionist trade troll..." MisterGay projecting his own propensity (and career ambitions) onto others! MISTERGAY LOSES AGAIN! Hey, MisterGay! How about that contradiction of yours I pointed out? Do you still want to stick by the story that I never go to strip clubs? Are you going to back down from that lie or just get yourself more tangled in it like you usually do? MisterGay you are even a good troll. You just grab whatever is in front of you, if means you get the chance to disagree with me. Even if it contradicts everything else you say, you will still lie, because you are that short sighted. We will notice the contradictions MisterGay and point them out. And then be forced to say.... MISTERGAY LOSES AGAIN!

JMel: "Do you believe in the Hierarchy among Adult Entertainers?" Ever strippers believes that, no matter she is doing, she is not a whore. (Even if she fucks customers she'll rationalize she is not because she charges more than a street worker and/or is more discriminate.) OTOH, she'll believe that any girl who does more than her/is less discriminate/charges less is a whore. So there is definitely a hierarchy in their "minds".

MisterGay: " yet again, we see how 'conservatives' in this country believe that the nature of man is essentially 'bad', while liberals tend to believe that the nature of man is essentially good. " Simplistic. Let's take the case of those in society who cannot help themselves (e.g. retards like MisterGay, and schizophrenics like parodyman). Ask a conservative and a liberal idealist what would be done about them under their ideal system? Conservative will tell you that men are good enough that it would be dealt with through private charity. And they'll cite examples of wealthy philanthropists. E.g. Gates, Buffet, Ford. Ask the liberal, and he'll tell you that men aren't good enough to do it on their own, so government must obligated them too. So, once again, MisterGay talking out of his ass... As always we are forced to conclude that.... MISTERGAY LOSES AGAIN!

MisterGay makes it too easy for me. Ok, nevertheless... MisterGay: "you wouldn't be spending ANY money on strippers if it didn't help you out when you were feeling 'blue'...awwww....LOL!!" Let's see MisterGay spends money on strippers, but he thinks guys can only do that when they need help when they are feeling blue, therefore, MisterGay spends money on strippers when he needs help when he is feeling 'blue'... awww.... LOL! (Helpful hint: MisterGay logic is not your strong suit. You will lose every time you try and fight on that ground. Stay nebulous. It's your best home, although eventually we'll call you down on that.) MisterGay: "'You claim: I never go to strip clubs.' When did I say that??" Your very first post in this thread MisterGay: MisterGay: "You're talking with an admitted troll zorro...he's doesn't go to strip clubs..." Well, well, what do you know. Guess what? Oh, boy. This is a shocker. Never would have seen this one coming. What could it be. Yes, I hate to say it. But it's true. Somethings never change... MISTERGAY LOSES AGAIN!

^^^ clueless

You know, if parody was actually funny or intelligent once in a while it would make up for some of his trollishness. As it stands, however, he is nothing more than a worthless faggot.

Hate to say it, but the more I learn about this mess, the more it looks like a (free) market failure after all. So putting some on the blame on Friedman (probably the biggest free market champ of the 20th century) is justiifed after all.

Looks like you're the one who lied, once again, MisterGay! (Nice projection there, buddy!) If you want to know my real motivations for the time I spent in the stripper underworld, see DickJohnson's "changed you" thread. MisterGay: A bit of elementary logic and your own idiocy in digging up those quotes that contradicted your own position destroyed you. Once again. It's really too easy with you, and, as always, we are forced to say... MISTERGAY LOSES AGAIN! MisterGay, I'll give you some more rope to hang yourself with. Explain how the following claims of yours are NOT contradictory: a) You claim: I never go to strip clubs. b) You claim: I use strippers in an attempt to cure me when I'm feeling glum. Really MisterGay. We've seen time and time again that you can't even make it more than a post or two on this board without hopelessly tangling yourself in contradictions. You want to be a big fearsome troll, but honestly, I've watched trolls on the internet for close to a couple of decades now. You are one of the weakest. With most trolls I would say if that is your perverse ambition at least try and do it well. Take some courses in logic and stats 101, so you can hold your own for at least a post or two in open battle. MisterGay, I wish I could tell you that with a clear conscience. But your logic is so weak, it completely undermines every aspect of your attempts at intelligence, and knowledge. School would just be a waste of money for you. You are too dumb to learn at all. You need a new hobby/ambition... Sorry to say, but it's true... MISTERGAY LOSES AGAIN! MISTERGAY WILL ALWAYS BE A LOSER IN THE FLAME WARS HERE AND IN THE GAME OF LIFE!

Well heroin users are much more likely than the rest of the population to have HIV (1-2% locally, versus about 0.1% for non-IDU white women). Also heroin users are more likely to have hep-C, but there is no realistic concern about catching that through heterosexual intercourse. I would get vaccinated against the other hep (A&B) strains if you haven't already. So if you are going unprotected you are gambling a bit. You might want to ask for STD results, but remember she could get it at any time, and would be most infection, before it was testable. (The main factor here is going to be how careful she is about using clean needles. Is there a needle exchange there? Can find what the local HIV rates are among IDUs?) It all depends if you are willing to take that gamble or not. I'm sure you'll make the right decision.

I suspect that's a typical pattern, Dick. I think some of us might have been too good when we were younger, and then got attracted to the "dark side" that strippers represent. (Carl Jung calls this "the shadow"). I went as ways down the rabbit hole myself, before realizing that world wasn't me. So, like you, I think it was good to get a glimpse of that underworld, realize it wasn't really for me, but realize that its existence, and strange attraction, needs to be acknowledged.

SD: "Is a stripper immoral because she is a stripper. Is a LD immoral. It is a consensual act, paid for. No. If she pickpockets a customer or cheats on dances, etc., she is immoral. Some strippers are immoral for stealing money from customers pockets and other things discussed here" Agree 100% with this.

Oh, almost forgot (it almost goes without saying now)... MISTEGAY loses again!

MisterGay: Thank you for proving my point. "When I am feeling 'down' I will spend less" So contrary to your claim, I see them LESS when I'm not feeling good. If it was to "pick me up" as you claim, I would spend more. If you examine those threads, you'll notice see that once I noticed the pattern I *only* started spending money on them when I was more up. However if it was for "pick me up" I would not have doen that. MisterGay not very good at logic, and again helped me out here by pulling out quotes disproving his assertion. MisterGay: "This particular troll's powers at projection are, in a word, 'amazing'" MisterGay again projecting his propensity to project onto others!

A big thing you gotta understand about strippers, and to some extent women in general, is that if you ask them a question like that they realize that if they give you a disappointing answer it could spark a confrontation which they will often go to long lengths to avoid. So they will "lie" and tell that just to avoid the conflict (sometimes if they get backed into a corner, lying is no longer an option, and then you will hear the truth). In their mind it isn't even lying, they will think that you have the sense to see that. Apparently not always the case!

Good God! I can't believe people are actually taking the question seriously. Look I think shadowcat is OK, but let's get real he is 65 or so, and regularly pays women for sex. I guarentee this is not the kind of man strippers are looking for in their fuck buddies. Maybe if he was a drunken, abusive, leather clad biker in his early 30s, ok, a chance better than that of a snow ball in hell. The stripper's clearly just teasing him and/or playing him. Sure, go ahead and see if she is for real, SC. We are holding our breaths while we await the answer... Gee I wonder the outcome of this will be? Same as everytime before? Ya think?

jablake: I don't ultimately agree with what you say, but I do respect your opinion, and it's a very interesting take on things. I nominate it as post of the year.

As for the religion, very few bring up the subject of Christianity, although some will admit to being Christians. (Even some who do extras.) Overall strippers are more inclined to wacky mystical beliefs (and to all the atheists reading this, yes I read Christianity counts as a wacky mystical belief, but strippers don't find it appealing for some reason. Probably just b/c they are such rebels and non conformists. LOL!). So called "paganism" and wiccanism are popular. It's really whack!

I think it has to do with them having weak super-egos. The same weak super-egos that lowers the barrier of sex (or near sex) for money (which is stigmatized by society, but not immoral IMO), is also responsible for lowering the barrier to stigmatized and immoral acts. Before anyone points it, yes I think the same is true of customers, although, because they are mostly male it's not exactly the same (i.e. customers not as stigmatized as dancers).

Lots of cracking down on prostitution/AMPs/SCs close to election time.

Huh? What's the difference between "fuck buddy who pays" and ordinary "client"?

Some waitresses double as escorts it's true! If she doesn't do escorting then it's a question of how to score with waitresses. (If you offered her money your obviously are going to be SOL for doing her free after that, so choose what you want carefully). Now, I would say that a strip club discussion board is not the best place on the internet to ask for info on scoring with waitresses.

When in doubt... It's an angle.

With insights like this you'll have won a Nobel Prize in stripperology in no time. Do not despair!