Comments by AbbieNormal (page 8)

So if it's 1% it's OK?

IMHO the only thing more suspect than what strippers say they make on this board is what customers admit they spend.

I can be satisfied with a naked girl shakin' it onstage and a cold beer. You, shadowcat, seem to need a bit more. It is my most sincere wish that you get what you wish for, and more, for your birthday. Cheers.

So if it's 1% it's OK?

Shadowcat. You posted "Any one like Okra?". My reply to you, shadowcat follows. In gumbo.* *This should not be presumed to presuppose that the respondent dislikes okra or has any official position on the taste, nutritional value, use, like, or dislike of okra by others. All interpretations of the respondent's opinions on okra are by this rider limited to the respondent's "liking" okra when served in gumbo. Gumbo, for the purposes of this post is presumed to mean the common understanding of gumbo, the traditional Creole stew of chicken and andoulli sausage, but gumbo may include, but is not limited to any of the following additional ingredients; crawfish, shrimp, scallops, clams, lobster, alligator, and/or other sausage, fowl, shellfish, or seafood in general in addition to the presumed minimal ingredients of stock (chicken, fish, shrimp or others), peppers, onions, okra, celery, salt, pepper, cayenne pepper, file powder and roux (a mixture of oil and/or butter and flour cooked to a thick consistency to be used as a thickening agent). The aforementioned is not in any way intended to limit the definition or classification of gumbo by others in any way whatsoever. All persons and events portrayed in this post are entirely fictional, except shadowcat, and the respondent's affinity for gumbo. Any resemblance to any person or event is purely coincidental, except for shadowcat and the respondent enjoying gumbo.

MisterGuy, just do a google search on "bandwidth speed test" and there will be a dozen or so to choose from. As mentioned above use it as a relative comparison, not as a speed you're likely to actually achieve when downloading files.

Correction (aside from the you show) is (aside from the toy show).

Chandler, once again, it isn't always about you. This post however is. I see now that you were assuming my translation post was directed solely at you since it came right after your post. It wasn't. It was certainly prompted by your post echoing the original post by Shadowcat, but it was not solely directed at you. The followup post (hallucinating) was also a post about the discussion in general Again, prompted by your post but not exclusively about it. Although I agree that it looks like a direct reply since I referenced your post specifically the intent was to reply to the idea that I and others were somehow unreasonable to assume that people could choose to block the worst abusers, ignore the posts they don't find interesting, and go on posting and reading about what they like to discuss instead of complaining about what some others of us do like to discuss. Sorry, but I sometimes don't take the time to finely craft the prose. I sometimes just want to dash of a few lines, and even though I explicitly used the plural (people, they) as opposed to singular (you, he, chandler) you apparently assumed the post was meant solely and exclusively as a reply to your post. It wasn't. When I want to address someone in particular I always try to say so by starting the message with something like "Jane you ignorant slut". If there is no name it is nearly always directed to the discussion in general, and may reference several different people's posts. I will also sometimes name a poster if I wish to address one part of their argument in particular in addition to a more general comment on the discussion as a whole. So let me go over the whole thing: Me: "Translation: I don't like it when people post things I don't like" This refers to several posters. Here are three examples of them saying in essence I don't like it when people post things that bore me. Shadowcat: "I don't give a shit about what drives strippers to do what they do. I just want them to keep doing it. I don't want to hear about GNP or if Hillary is going to get the nomination or not. I want to hear about your your experiences and expectations. " ShotDisc: "Amen Shadow! leave the longwinded pontifications to the politicians and other sites." Chandler: "Same goes for seeing the board loaded up with repetitive bullshit that bores me in the same way. I consider that typing, not analysis." which refers back to "I don't like having to skip over it to get to what I come here for." Me: "...so I tell them they should only post about stuff I find interesting or go away." Again, this is referring to a number of posts about multiple posters wanting people to either stay on the topics they like or leave, and here are some examples. Shadowcat: "Take it to another site. This site is about strippers/strip clubs/sex" ShotDisc: "Amen Shadow! leave the longwinded pontifications to the politicians and other sites." Chandler: "...so I'd rather try to send them packing than see the board ruined." In the future I will make every effort to be certain that in addition to naming specific posters and quoting the specific passage I am referring to in all cases where I wish to take issue with someone's opinion or statements that I also break down all my general arguments thusly so that nobody gets the mistaken impression that I am misrepresenting them.* Is that explicit enough? Sadly this will make all my posts extremely long and detailed, but I guess that is the price we must pay to make sure no individual poster (this refers not just to you chandler, just mostly to you) feels he is misrepresented or falsely accused. * I won't really. This passage should be read, dripping with irony. P.S. The post "No chandler, I'm telling you you are wrong, I'm not complaining about your post. Totally different." was also meant as a quick dashed off joke. So much as I hate the practice I will now include either the appropriate emoticon or one of the ubiquitous "hee hee", "Heh", "LOL", or "ROTFLMAO" abbreviations that indicate a joke.** ** Not really. :)

DSL uses phone lines. It has one big advantage that Shadowcat alluded to. All of the bandwidth is yours and yours alone. In addition the upload speed (something most people don't care much about) can be considerably faster. By far the best is the fiber optic hook up. One local cable company was doing that (Starpower) and bundling phone and internet with it. A few friends who had it said it was unbelievably fast, but they never reached my neighborhood. FIOS is a similar thing, but seems also to be stalled in legal and legislative battles about monopolies and what they can charge to lease the lines they install. I use Comcast, and am pretty happy with it even though it is pretty much my only choice where I live. I've hit download speeds of well over 10Mb/s and uploads of 1.5Mb/s, but speed tests are a bit deceiving since they are always a short burst and often don't depend on sustained use, error rates, how fast your computer can retrieve or store files, etc., especially over a longer period of a large file. In practical terms the fastest I can download large files is about 1Mb/s, which is sufficient for my needs (I rent my porn). Still if FIOS came to my neighborhood I'd get it in a second.

I'd tend to agree with Book Guy, but think of it this way (slightly less harsh), how often does a dancer entirely fill an hour with lapdances? I'd say about as close as she can come is a VIP, which in many clubs can be far less than $500/hour. In general a good dancer (assuming 3 minute songs) is going to sell dances in ones, twos and on occasion threes with breaks between. I'd guess, and the dancers can chime in, that $200-300 is a better estimate of what a dancer makes per hour on lapdances, with the usual caveats for how busy the club is and assuming a $20 dance. Now, why would a dancer do a one hour private dance OTC for $200-300? Well for one thing it is guaranteed. For another all that money is hers to keep. Of the $200/hour she makes in the club how much does the club take? How much of a VIP goes to the club? Depending on how you look at it the private show for $300/hour could be a lot more lucrative than a $500 VIP. In addition, from a dancers perspective, it is a good way to hook a customer. All the PL's and RIL's who want to feel special will want to get some private time. I knew a fairly popular dancer that did something very similar. Every so often she'd book a hotel room and then invite regulars to come by for a toy show and lapdance at $200 each. Her boyfriend provided security and there was no sex (aside from the you show). The customers appointments were staggered so there wasn't a line, and after her costs were paid she was clearing $1000, for a much shorter and less stressful night of work, much better than she could ever do in a DC club on most nights. What did the customer get? A private experience that was much more hands on than the club allowed, and a sense un-rushed intimacy with a favorite dancer. I never partook, but I would have if other circumstances didn't intervene. I could see a number of guys wanting something like that, and I think a lot of dancers would, in the right circumstances, provide it. So, is it worth $500? Depends on the customer. More likely than not a dancer is only going to offer this kind of thing to a regular, or a RIL who she knows and is reasonably comfortable with. More than likely a customer is only going to go for it if it offers more contact than the normal LD or VIP in the club does. In those cases I could see a dancer charging $500 and a customer paying it, but it would be limited to customers who valued that particular dancer, not just guys looking for more contact or a better dance. Those guys are more likely to balk at much more than the $200-300 mentioned. So does the market price what we're talking about at less than $500? Of course it does, if you view the entire experience as a commodity, but then it isn't a commodity, is it?

No chandler, I'm telling you you are wrong, I'm not complaining about your post. Totally different.

Yep, I was hallucinating. I saw a world where the "ignore" function meant people would have a choice to either use it, or quit complaining about other peoples posts. The real problem is that some people want to read the posts they like from certain posters, so they don't want to ignore the poster, but they hate having to look through the long posts, even while they are afraid to miss something, like an opportunity to express their opinion on a topic the other poster may raise.

"Hot strippers could flood the business - if economy kicks down" Or, they could not since a loss of disposable income could depress the entire market, since stripping is a lot of work for a not guaranteed return and the best looking girls could find better ways to exploit their appeal, or they could flood the business if the economy kicks up, since a lot of extra disposable income could attract the better looking girls who would presumably benefit more, or if the economy kicks up the good looking girls could be pushed out by the second tier girls who are willing to do more for the guys who have a lot more discretionary spending money. Or maybe something will happen, and we'll toss out a formula to rationalize it in retrospect, and once again convince ourselves we're somehow in control, or even capable of predicting these things.

Translation: I don't like it when people post things I don't like, so I tell them they should only post about stuff I find interesting or go away.

David9999, you are correct, there is a ton of hype and propaganda about sex crimes, and here were horrific abuses in some cases in the past. That does not mean that real oppression, sex slaves, and an organized sex trade does not exist. Anyone who has any sense whatsoever knows that there are real cases where American women are made into sex slaves by pimps. Drugs, debt, whatever, it happens and we all know it. Why is it so far fetched to believe that women in other countries, countries with far less opportunity and far fewer legal protections could become sex slaves? Why is it such a stretch to believe they try to maximize profit by going where the money is? I think it's mostly because people still want to believe prostitution is a victimless crime. I don't buy it. Wether legalizing prostitution would solve the problem is another and a much more in depth topic (and Shadowcat would disapprove), but presently, in reality, no way is it victimless. There are a lot of self righteous people who won't buy Tuna because it kills dolphins and sea turtles, but they don't mind buying pot from a guy who bought it from a gang who will kill people, by gutting them while still alive, over a few hundred dollars, but drugs are supposed to be a victimless crime, as is prostitution. I don't buy it, not for a second, and I won't be a part of it. Call me an uptight moralist, rail about how I am imposing my morality on you, decry my unenlightened views. I don't care, I don't support pimps and killers. That's my choice and I can live with it. Live with your choices, but don't use your denial to denegrate me and my choices.

It's a quote, and it's a rhetorical device. I met a lot of very nice strippers in my time too.

Why too much analysis can be bad. (From www.dailygut.com) "When you go to a strip club, you see the very best attributes of the stripper you're ogling. You see her curves and her implants, but you see none of her problems. You don't see her meth habit, her biker ex-boyfriend, the box of severed ears she keeps in her closet. But with your wife, you are familiar not with only the good, but with the bad. The very bad. And this is why men sometimes prefer strippers to their wives." So for one part of your complaint I have a lot of sympathy. I really don't care why a certain stripper strips, or what she thinks of me, or customers in general, or how she picks her next boyfriend. I care about how she treats me in the club, the way I want to be treated preferably. On occasion I like to get to know a stripper a little better, socially that is, I always want to get to know a lot of strippers better physically. Those occasions where I've been interested in what a specific stripper thinks about me, or anything else for that matter, does with her spare time or plans to do with her life number about 6-8 over the course of a decade of clubbing. So I don't read a lot of posts that try to examine or determine the inner life of strippers or come up with a foolproof plan to date them. I skim them, then move on. I also skim posts about how many girls some guy fingered, or who got a BBBJTC or OTC and how many times and what they paid for it. Most of that information is useless to me, and not really interesting in a lot of cases. On occasion a good storyteller can make some of those posts fun or interesting. As for where a discussion sometimes goes into politics, economics, philosophy, etc., that is rarely planned, and takes up virtually no space on the board in general, it is almost always a discussion between interested parties within a thread where a topic has evolved, so just don't read them, they're easy to spot and only a very few people post them.

Do you mean budget in general or stripclub budget? In general yes, stripclubs, only in the general sense that it comes out of disposable income/fun money. I also usually have a general number in mind when I go into a club, and another number that I try not to go over, regardless of how much fun I'm having.

Indulges in abstinence, love that phrase. I agree with FONDL however. I think that there is a dynamic in stripclubs that is near universal and doesn't change much over time. A lapdance club and a DC no contact club have a lot more in common than they differ. I think we can all agree that once you have a decade or so under your belt you can't really be considered a novice at clubbing, no matter how long the break. A coach who takes a year or two break in the NFL isn't assumed not to know anything about football anymore. Ask Bill Parcells what he's was making before he took over the Cowboys versus after.

I have six. Sadly none of them are still stripping anymore.

FONDL, glad to see you back inn the game. I'm kind of in a slump right now, but maybe I just need a new club. I've kind of sworn off DC clubs recently, and those were about 90% of my visits. I decided that instead of 2 or 3 unplanned trips to a DC club I'd rather do one good visit to a club like McDoogal's, or Partner's Tavern, someplace I've never been before. But then that means I haven't been in a club for about 4 months now, so it cuts both ways.

Chandler, you hit it pretty accurately. Which is the better value, a bicycle or a car? It pretty much depends on where and how far and fast you want to go, doesn't it? You can't really separate value from what an individual values, can you?

Are you looking for a fuck or a lapdance? That would seem to be a rather important distinction. If sex is your goal I'd say it's pretty obvious that a whore is a better value. Is that really a difficult concept?

Book guy, you are on the right track. Some Asians got absolutely mind boggling wealthy by offering opportunity to other asians whose only alternative was subsistence farming, and offering to the western companies and consumers costs far below anything they could ever hope for. How and why is a more extensive topic.