Comments by AbbieNormal (page 11)

By any realistic description poverty in America is virtually non-existant. The average "poor" person owns their house, a car, a color telivision, a DVD or VCR, has cable, a cell phone, and is overweight. I think most of the third world would jump at the chance to live in the kind of "poverty" we have in this country. In fact they do.

I always wondered what Cheney did in that "undisclosed location".

Wait a minute,, I've never seen Founder and Wonder Woman in the same room either! Founder is Clark Kent!

(whew, so it's not just me.)

FONDL, I got a similar impression. Now the story says the teacher was notified there would be a "surprise" for the student in question. Now here's the thing, the booker, the stripper, and the teacher all apparently shrugged and said "Oh well" at the prospect of a stripper in a school classroom full of 16 year olds , assuming someone else cleared it, right up to the point where the stripper, wearing bra and panties, asked a 16 year old to rub in the whipped cream she'd sprayed on her but. Only then did it apparently occur to someone, the teacher, that this was not quite right.

Back on topic, the suspect was arrested, he was also severly burned. It turns out that the suspect apparently tried to re-enter the club with a gas can to burn the whole place down. The manager tried to stop him, and in the ensuing struggle gas was spilled, a great deal on the manager, some on the suspect, and much on the floor. walls, etc. When the lighter was lit the manager was caught in the worst of the flames, the suspect was severly burned but managed to flee the scene. The manager is still in critical condition, his chances of recovery are reported as 80%. The club re-opened Wednesday. I want to know how someone buys a gas can, a gallon of gas, and a lighter at a gas station without raising enough interest for the clerk to remember the dude. The police aparently found the suspect based on a tip that a man with burns and a lot of medical supplies was in a motel in Virginia.

Jablake, I would reply, but I find your posts utterly incoherant. Not only do you not seem to never comprehend, even if you read my posts, your "answers" seem unconnected to anything in the post other than quoting me. Your posts also don't seem to agree with themselves, let alone make sense. I'm sorry to not reply, if it seems rude, and my guess is that my description of your posts does, it's really just that for the life of me I can't figure out what you are talking about. Are you a native English speaker?

Hmmm... Has anyone ever seen Founder and Flounder in the same room at the same time? They always seem to just miss each other, like Clark Kent and Wonder Woman.

No, the problem is that they kill people, often innocent people. If they kill people for pride or honor is that a better excuse than $100? What insult does it take to pride or honor where kiling is justified? HEY YABBA YABBA HEY!

Yeah, nice equivocation. I didn't ask about perceptions as the determining factor, it is about people who will kill for $100, not about how you or someone else is percieved by the cops. The problem with people who murder is that they murder, not that someone sees them as murderers.

Chitown, you remember well. That was my conclusion. I will add the caveat that if I wish to stay in the club for a while with another dancer I will give a standard sympathy tip, so long as the other dancer moves on, seeing that I am occupied. The problem with this particular dancer was that once tipped no ammount of neglect could disuade her from hanging around.

"Really easy to condemn them when the strip clubs were there before they moved in." Why do you assume that? It wasn't anywhere in what I talked about. What about the hypothetical I proposed about residents opposing a stripclub opening in their neighborhood? "What is the condition of the overcrowding? Is it like the filth I saw the government put up in the inner city? Talk about nasty cheap construction--huge cracks for rodents, leaking roofs, undersized toilets, everything done to make you sick to your stomach. What is the status of the people living there?" POVERTY, that is kind of my point. "A ton violence is thanks to government drug laws. " I don't want to go too deep into this, but a ton of violence is due to drug trade. There are gangs who will gut a man over a few hundred dollars. You can argue that it is due to drugs being illegal, the libertarian in me has some sympathy to that argument, but I just do not believe that the dealers who are willing to kill another human being over a few hundred dollars would suddenly be model citicens if their trade was legal.

I guess I should revise and extend. If you think that the only, let alone the greatest danger you face when you start having sex with strippers in the club is an STD, then you are insane. See Chitown's post on his busted colleague.

So you think the crime magnets in those poor neighborhoods are the drug dealers? So apparently people are lining up to rob them? I assume then that they also report those crimes so that they are in the crime statistics I cited. Sorry, no sale. Criminals prey on the weak, the old, and those they feel can't fight back, either by themselves or through a proxy. As for the other arguments, I've heard them all, but somehow I can't bring myself to condemn someone who doesn't want a strip club across the street and a frat house next door to where he lives. As for the overcrowing, if that were the case, the upper east side and upper west side of Manhatten (near Central Park) should be among the highest crime areas in the nation, and south central LA, all bungalows and small units, should be among the lowest compared to other cities.

Being the possessor of a significant gut (it's all muscle, really), I hate to criticize, but then as mentioned above I don't get onstage and ask for money, and I don't go to a strip club to see unatractive girls. That said, I'll at least try to be polite, within limits. I think I've told the "Ugliest Stripper of ALL Time" story a few times, so I'll do the quick version. Missing teeth, greasy hair, rolls of fat, outweighed me (and I'm 6' tall, she was maybe 5'5"). Ugly face. I was sitting at the stage, everyone else got up and left. In a momentary lapse of reason and a pang of sympathy I laid down a single dollar, and then was stupid enough to wait for her to come get it. She smelled too. I ended up leaving the club because she wouldn't leave me alone. While her ability to get naked onstage was a triumph of self confidence her assumption that she could collect money for it was the height of self delusion. Be polite, but don't be an enabler.

I also have a weakness for Persian girls. Let me know if you find one.

There is I believe one very expensive HIV test that is nearly immediate in picking things up. The point is, and we've discussed this before, and it isn't very PC, but it is virtually impossible for a man without an open sore to contract HIV via heterosexual sex, including oral. Actually I think that even includes homosexual oral sex, for both parties. Almost the only vectors for HIV in this country are unprotected anal sex (receiving) or sharing hypodermic needles. HIV is also no longer a death sentance in this country, it is quickly becoming a controllable condition. Herpes can be transmited at any time from an infected person in theory (assuming bodily fluids are exchanged in some manner, same way as colds) but is most likely when they have an outbreak. There are plenty of others, but most have some visible sign and are bacterial in nature not viral, and therefore curable. Given all that, ARE YOU INSANE?!?

"I used to know a girl who had a good full-time job but also did some prostitution with a limited number of regular clients to supplement her income. And yes she was a single mother. She once told me that most of her clients were lawyers." -- FONDL "Yup, and she was probably a lawyer too" -- David9999 Sorry I can't resist.... Because Lawyers see nothing odd about screwing someone for an hourly fee!

jablake, the only remotely coherant argument you made was that wealth and income aren't the same thing, but unless you can show me somehow that those with incomes under $7500/year (which is significantly under what is considered "poverty" level income in this country) are somehow holders of great sums of wealth in other areas you are just not making a good faith argument. Yes, anecdotally rich people suffer property crimes, which are usually highly publicized. The overwhelming number of crime victims, especially violent crime victims, are poor. Some buisnesses, strip clubs included, are often a local center of problems. That is a fact that we should recognize. We on this board should understand that people who don't like our hobby aren't all prudes and radical feminists. Sometimes they are just people who don't want rowdy frat boys and drunk horny guys running around the neighborhood, let alone the more marginal types who decide to take revenge for being tossed out by burning someone alive.

Well, I would have set my lock back but my cel phone didn't alert me.

Do you really need my posts for you screeds? I mean I'm happy to oblige, but it seems to me you are talking about whatever you want, without regard to my posts' content. From now on I'll just post HEY YABBA YABBA HEY! unnless you actually want a dialog, that way you can still post screeds and I don't need to bother trying to decipher a coherant thought from your screeds.

Nice screed. You didn't address anything I said or contest any fact I presented. You are not arguing, or debating, you are spewing opinion. I understand we live in an age impervious to the fine distinctions between reality, fact and opinion, but I have presented facts, in good faith, and you have presented screeds that neither adress, nor refute, the arguments or facts I have presented. I am at a loss to understand how I am to proceed with an argument at this point. Poor people, despite constituting a fraction (less that 10%) of the population are more likely to be victims of crime than the other 90% of the population. That is a fact. So how can one reconcile that with your contention that wealth attracts crime? Address the arguments I've made or don't, but don't claim some sort of refutation unless you can actually produce anything more than incoherent rants.

So let me get this straight, you claim that wealth is a magnet for crime. OK, therefore one would assume that wealthy people would therefore be more likely to be victims of crime, otherwise I can't imagine what you could mean. So I'll quote rather than link; "Persons in households with an annual income under $7,500 were robbed at a significantly higher rate than persons in households earning more." So what am I missing? Is it that your contention is that I can't use government statistics to back up my argument? OK, then tell me whose statistics are valid, and whose are you using?

Again, hate to interupt a screed with facts, but; http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/cvict_v.htm#income

" the problem at least in this area some of the nicest areas have really violent crime. The criminals are lured by money of all things!" Not true. Look at crime statistics (sorry to throw facts into the gears of opinion). The highest crime areas are almost always the poorest. Why? Rich people don't cary cash. They may drive nice cars and have credit cards, but most of their cars are lojacked and their credit cards are canceled within an hour or so of robery. Who deals in cash? Poor people who can't qualify for credit cards or keep a minimum balance of $1000 on a checking account. They deal in cash and are therefore the most attractive victims. Try to buy crack with an AMEX. Try to fence a lojacked Porche. It doesn't happen. When I was a bartender I regularly walked home with $300 cash and had a cash stash of over $2000 at one point. That was when I was "poor". Now I make over $80,000/year. I never have over $100 in my wallet, and probably not more than $200 in my house. Want to rob my house? Fine, you can get a DVD player for $50, how much do you think you can pawn one for? 40" flat screen? Yeah, try to cary that a few blocks, then convince someone that you came into it totally legitimately, and so they should give you the full $1500 it's worth. Criminals look for cash, or they settle for pennies on the dollar. The highest crime neighborhoods are NOT the richest. That is simply not true.