The one time I agree with Rick

Probably more the latter, though I expect at least some of the former. The MILF's husband never knew, from what I understand. If he did, she never told me about it. My ATF's husband knew what we were about, but she made it clear to him when they got serious that if he had a problem with it that he would be the one leaving. I don't consider him a "cuck" though, rather a rational human being who understands that there's not only one way to love.

There are strippers that don't let you touch their tits and ass?

Blah when you getting back into dancing. You and nice should form a traveling dancer duo tag team. A lot of us around here would get of our ass and pay to see that.

===> "The one time I agree with Rick" So it IS possible for rational thinking to break through your PTSD-fueled psychosis, at least once in a while. Good to know. 😉 I don't think cuck fetishes play much of a role though. For most guys I suspect it's a combination of lies told by their stripper SOs and willful ignorance. They're losers who don't want to derail the gravy train, so they choose to believe what they're told, even if at some level they suspect more. Then of course there is that subset of guys who are OK with whatever their stripper SOs are doing, who are today's modern version of the BF pimp. I wouldn't be surprised if some guys start as willfully ignorant and evolve into this over time. And let's not fool ourselves into believing that this is limited to "customer touching." Plenty of these girls are doing a whole lot more ITC and/or OTC and you can bet that most of them have an SO of one type or another, be it a husband, live-in baby daddy or some other flavor.

blah has the Whorearchy all worked out. The world would be so much nicer, if people never bought anything expensive together with someone, unless they were willing to be totally honest with them. No more messy divorces. Less detached housing, so less urban sprawl. Shorter commutes, less CO2 in the atmosphere.

===>"...but there's also guys that pay more than half the bills who have hooker stripper wives or gfs lmao" It isn't about %s per se. It's about how much pressure she is under to make ends meet. If he clears 4k per month after taxes and their monthly expenses are 8k, then if the clubs sucks ass for a week or two then she's under a lot of pressure to bridge the gap. Sometimes it isn't even about how much she makes in a year, but rather the TIMING of that income. Over time some of my club favorites likely had 6 figures pass through their hands over that year. But they spent it as fast as they earned it, so when things got slow, they ended up bent face first over a hotel bed with me. 😉

With all the furry porn, like on [view link] , maybe petting zoos will replace strip clubs. If they ask you why you're in there without your kid, you can say you're just checking it out, and you'll bring your kid next time.

With most of my favs, it you told them they were the pets in a human petting zoo, I think they'd say yeah, pretty much. And then rofl. With my favs, they get anxiety/blues from creepy/shitheaded PL behavior. But, especially lately, they get more anxiety/blues from shifts where they don't make or barely make more than their house fee. And my favs who were the most content were the ones didn't feel like they really needed a man. They were fine with being celibate for long periods of time. They wouldn't keep trying with a man who was more trouble than he was worth, irrationally hoping things would change. I don't have highly personal conversations with women in their 20s who are not strippers. So, I don't really know if strippers are more or less happy than women in general.

I haven't gotten personal with all my favs. But, with the ones I did, none seemed into hooking up. They wanted to be serious with somebody, but they'd try to have that with somebody messed up (or they'd act messed up themselves). One of my favs was interested in this guy, but he only wanted to see her when he couldn't find anyone to go bowling with. Maybe that was his fucked up way of letting her know he wasn't looking to be serious idk. Another fav decided, since you can never be sure men are not cheating, better to not care, just find one willing and able to "pay bills". She found one, but he didn't have enough so it was worth it for her to quit dancing. She got tired of it that he'd badger her for sex when she got home from the club and wanted to sleep. She found a richer guy, and stopped dancing for more than a year. But then he got violent and put her in the hospital. Where she found out she was pregnant. He had a lot of tricky accounting and shell companies to hide his income and assets, so it wasn't straight-forward to get court-ordered child support. She had to get back up with me, and do (no extras) OTC. After the baby was born, she had to bring him until she found a sitter she trusted. Basically, she was playing chicken with the baby daddy, trying to settle on child support out of court. She thought he'd be afraid to have the government take a hard look at his creative accounting. He's helped her some, but , last I heard, they still hadn't worked out an ongoing arrangement.

As long as a customer is respectful and I feel comfortable, he can definitely touch my boobs and my ass… I don’t feel I’m being molested and I don’t feel that I’m a prostitute for that. I enjoy most customers—most, not all—I want them to have a good dance and a good time and it doesn’t make me feel any kind of way. I think there’s a non-fine line, a very hard line, in fact, between someone touching my body and being a ‘full on hooker.’ I am very surprised to read this.

@PSD well you know blah is not that unhappy with you as long as you don't have stab wounds. Many people, including women, pay to get massaged. So, being touched by a stranger doesn't always have to be a bad thing. Probably for some people, it is always a bad thing, which is fine. I think different dancers, for various reasons, get a different mix of customers. I remember one dancer telling me that I didn't have to be so restrained, that lots of customers squeezed so hard she felt like her implants were going to pop out. I can understand how that could be hard to tolerate, even if the money was good. But the other dancers gave her much props, top club earner, in a long term marriage, good mother. I think I heard she became a manager in an animal rescue org when she stopped dancing.

^^^ agree with Pink. walking around in panties, doing a short stage show, pay for allowing touching all over her body during private dances — this is sex work but it’s in the category of fantasy. That’s not prostitution. Prostitution is pay X for specific sexual gratification penetration or hand stimulation sexual gratification. But if the fantasy work becomes OTC, she’s now working in prostitution. As for guys marrying or is a BF to a stripper. I’m guessing It’s likely he’s a man who has been around strippers quite a bit. He knows the deal going in (that’s not being a cuck). IMHO it’s unlikely (not impossible) average guy at the office is going to marry a stripper.

===> "I think there’s a non-fine line, a very hard line, in fact, between someone touching my body and being a ‘full on hooker.’ I am very surprised to read this." I agree with you on the very clear line. But sadly blah is very messed up, due I suspect to some bad experiences in this business or her personal life or both. So now she's living on a knife's edge and her brain keeps searching for ways to justify her PTSD-fueled boundaries and sensitivities. It's far easier to demonize the behavior of others than to turn one's scrutiny inward and tackle one's serious emotional challenges.

“I'm just fucking saying anyone who seriously thinks grinding on dudes till they cum while their hands are on ur titties is pure fantasy...????” I’m with you on this Blah. I’ll never understand the guys who say strip clubs, even “clean” clubs, are a “fantasy world“ No, they’re not. Even if you don’t touch them, they are places where girls really take off their clothes for your viewing pleasure. Now, if you are sitting there thinking about having sex with them, what’s happening inside your head may be a fantasy, but that does not make what’s happening in the club a fantasy. And it sure is not a fantasy if she’s actually grinding on me, or blowing me or fucking me in VIP. And I put “clean clubs“ in quotes because I really don’t believe there’s any such thing. Like you said, even in clean clubs, the girls are operating so close to the prostitution line that there are bound to be some who will be willing to go over that line. Even if they won’t do it in the club, it’s fairly easy to find a girl to meet you outside.

To call lap dancing fantasy however I do agree is absurd. It's very much an activity intended to be sexually stimulating. However, in my world, there is a very clear and hard line between stripping/lap dancing with contact and sex. The line applies to both the consumer and provider equally and is pretty consistent across the sexually liberal --> conservative spectrum. Huge difference between getting/giving lap dances with contact and a transaction involving actual sex. Or to put it another way, the average civi in my world very much does not think all strippers are whores. Most in fact would be quite surprised to learn that strippers fucking customers is even a thing. The more sexually conservative people I know would likely be disgusted equally by the two, but even they recognize a significant distinction. The more liberal ones also have a similar distinction. I know quite a few males who visit strip clubs and buy dances periodically but would never consider sex with a stripper, and I know many strippers who have worked in non-extras clubs for a long time and been comfortable with it, yet would never cross that line. To both, it is a very clear and significant line. There's nuance in the world, we have multiple terms to subtly distinguish between many similar things and we have other words that can be used to characterize them as a whole. I'm not talking about political correctness here, distinction between a full service sex worker and a whore is an entirely different conversation I'll leave to the snowflakes. But as an example, look at human beings of various ages. People is used to describe the entire set, but we have worlds like infant, toddler, teen, adult, and senior, among others, to describe different age groups, and yet others like child that may encompass multiple smaller subsets. We may quibble about the precise distinction between an infant and a toddler but they'd agree they're both children. Similarly, we can use sex work to describe the entire set and specific terms like dancer or whore to those who engage in specific activities or words like stripper that may encompass multiple. It's fine if you personally see little to no distinction between a lap dancer and a prostitute, but others do. Just like it's fine if you see little to no distinction between an infant and a toddler, but others do. You can fight to change perception, but it's an uphill battle. It seems much more productive to simply accept that others have use for the nuance, even if you yourself don't. Failing to accept that will likely result in misunderstandings and mischaracterizations.

I'm too old to visit Fantasyland. :]

@blah, I think the mystery/confusion is, who are you talking to? All the other dancers, and a lot of the PLs, up in the discussions, think a sex worker has her boundaries, based on her personal preferences and feelings. Not a matter of who's better or worse than anyone else. To you personally, boob/booty touching with a PL feels as bad as hiding the salami. Nobody is doubting or negging your feelings, just saying not all sex workers share them. The other PLs think that all women (Including you) are skanky hoes, except maybe the women who have June Cleaver as their role model. I'm sorry for you that stripperweb is gone. Now THERE was a good place to discuss the topic: Who's where in the Whorearchy? It almost seemed like they were having a scientific conference about it sometimes. I'm glad no PL or dancer was stabbed in the making of this thread. At least, not so far.

There are ones who let you touch the pussy?

Okay, okay… despite being a rick, I am confused. Imma let the “one time I agree with rick” thing go. Obviously, the dugan is the smartest hairless ape on the planet so it would be a good idea for all of you to follow his lead. But that isn’t what confused this rick. The part that confused this here lion is the statement that the married stripper “…is always a girl that lets customers touch everywhere except the pussy.” I don’t see how that related to her husband wanting to be cucked. I mean, if the husband wants to be cucked wouldn’t she want guys touching the pussy? Right now I’m imagining this pathetic neckbeard ape who wants to be cucked being all sad because he asks his stripper wife to describe her shift and she ends the story with “well he came in his pants after groping my tits and ass so then he tipped me and we went our separate ways.” WTF kinda story is that for the sad neckbeard husband? We ricks think the cuck husbands of the world need so good jack off material. That is why we give it to their wives. It is a frickin’ public service. ROAR!!!

I’ve never had a relationship with a guy who was very familiar with strippers or clubs. I’ve never had a relationship with a guy who wasn’t totally caught off guard when I told him about my dancing. And I’ve never had a relationship with a guy who disrespected me for doing it, or had weird sexual tensions over it, or was jealous, or made me feel bad for it, or thought I was a prostitute, or any friends like this either. You CAN surround yourself with decent people in spite of all the shitty, judgy, self righteous ones out there.

Cuck porn seems to be a big thing. Maybe I could make a new career of this. Hang out in VIP,, role play the stripper's cuck, neckbearded husband. Mopely watching in self-hatred.

I'll never forget the time I absent mindedly opened my mouth when a well known Follies dancer told me that she was pregnant. I blurted out "do you know who the father is?" and she replied "My husband".

One of my favs was in college at the same time she was dancing. She'd end up in classes with guys she'd danced for. Never got recognized. They couldn't conceive, that this woman with tied back hair wearing glasses, aceing the class, could be a stripper. She would selectively remind some who she was, and invite them back to the club. The ones she picked were never jerks about it, she could read people very well.

“Cuck porn seems to be a big thing. Maybe I could make a new career of this. Hang out in VIP,, role play the stripper's cuck, neckbearded husband. Mopely watching in self-hatred.” Libby-ape or whatever the fuck your name is, this rick just has to say that you are fantasizing incorrectly. You want to be the male fucking the wife, not the male being cucked. ROAR!!!

No rtl I'm going to be a rent-a-cuck. Us DDAs need money cause we don't just get everything from intimidated wildebeest. I'll make SO much money I'll be able to afford what blah wants to let me touch her butt. And don't think you can touch blah's butt for free cause you're a lion. You're only the apex predator until blah gets her stabbin' knife out.

Weirdly sexual, not liberal? Huh? Apparently blah only wears cotton and linen. The guys would think all strippers do FS also think any woman who wears a low cut top is a hooker. You gotta dress like in Iran for them. I've never really understood why anyone would think a one nighter was a good thing. If it was good, wouldn't you want to repeat? When a guy brags about a one night stand, I gotta think he's the type that doesn't know what a clit is, and/or lasts 30 seconds. He never calls women the next day, cause he knows they always egret giving him a try.

Blah is correct, there is a social stigma for women who are strippers. It might be several shades of gray less than the social stigma for hookers, but it's definitely there. Although I suspect mostly due to the jealousy factor. :) I love slutty women personally!

You could define slutty in different ways. Based on the stripper and non-stripper women I've gotten personal with, I can't see any clear pattern that strippers like sex or hooking up better on average. Harder to get personal with escorts. But my best guess is, they typically like sex less than the average woman. If you lack taste buds, you don't enjoy good food as much, but you can tolerate bad food more easily.

You should see how guys react and their new opinion of strippers when they get the stripper g/f pregnant

Just because two people aren't compatible to be in a relationship, that doesn't mean either is automatically a loser. And it also doesn't automatically mean they can't have fun getting their freak on. But, if you don't want to do it cause it 's not cool in Bulgaria or wherever, that's fine.

When you say you don't like men remotely, does that mean you don't wank to camboys? I'm just sayin', live and let live. Don't look down on people cause they don't act like back home in Stabvania or Stabmenistan or however it's called. Is your real name Ludmila?

Are you maybe just still bitter about your ugly divorce from Borat?